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re: To those who want to "do something" about gun deaths
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:21 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:21 am to ShortyRob
quote:Correct. And the same people that will say DWI laws have become a money-making trap for people that have “just a had a drink or two and pose no danger”... or say “pot smokers aren’t hurting anyone!” will turn around and say we need to limit guns for everybody. When in reality the vast, vast majority of lawful gun owners will never commit any sort of crime with them.
In other words, it's gone FAR beyond "illegal". What they are willing to do in the name of getting to "zero"(an impossible goal" is the problem
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 8:22 am
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:22 am to ShortyRob
To use your traffic death metaphor, fatalities have dramatically dropped because automakers have been required (by legislators and trial lawyers) to make cars safer. Air bags, seat belts, crumple zones, non exploding gas tanks, anti-lock brakes, collision avoidance systems and the like are all incremental measures that saved lives. As does requiring passing tests to get drivers licenses, mandatory insurance and driving law enforcement.
Incremental steps to limit mass shootings are also feasible. Magazine limits, eliminating semi automatic weapons, ammunition restrictions, licenses, registration and so forth.
And for that matter, putting breathalyzer interlock devices on cars owned by dui offenders saves lives - just as a device that would lock guns akin to a cellphone lock.
You can’t let the perfect become the enemy of the good. This is just the NRA blocking any incremental step that moves us closer to the U.K./Australia response to mass shootings.
Incremental steps to limit mass shootings are also feasible. Magazine limits, eliminating semi automatic weapons, ammunition restrictions, licenses, registration and so forth.
And for that matter, putting breathalyzer interlock devices on cars owned by dui offenders saves lives - just as a device that would lock guns akin to a cellphone lock.
You can’t let the perfect become the enemy of the good. This is just the NRA blocking any incremental step that moves us closer to the U.K./Australia response to mass shootings.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:24 am to SlapahoeTribe
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Still up to their same bullshite. Every time the BAC gets lowered, they start all over again and demand it get lowered more. There’s also a 99% chance if you see a checkpoint that they’re behind the funding for it - either directly or by influence of government funding programs.
I’ve been saying it about MADD for 20 years: they began as an organization with a noble intent. Then, as their influence grew, they turned into the Gestapo.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:25 am to SpringBokCock
quote:Literally, None of this will help.
Incremental steps to limit mass shootings are also feasible. Magazine limits, eliminating semi automatic weapons, ammunition restrictions, licenses, registration and so forth.
quote:Youre going to have to confiscate every gun in the country to accomplish this. Good luck.
And for that matter, putting breathalyzer interlock devices on cars owned by dui offenders saves lives - just as a device that would lock guns akin to a cellphone lock.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 8:26 am
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:27 am to SpringBokCock
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Incremental steps to limit mass shootings are also feasible. Magazine limits, eliminating semi automatic weapons, ammunition restrictions, licenses, registration and so forth.
Ok. We have all of those things now with the exception of eliminating semi-autos. And that will never happen.
So why did yesterday happen?
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 8:29 am
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:32 am to ShortyRob
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God I hate those frickers.
And I don't even drink
What’s wrong with MADD? They’ve done a lot to reduce drunk driving deaths and raise awareness.
Fair disclosure: the CEO is an Aggie and a buddy of mine.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:34 am to ShortyRob
I think everyone should just start carrying. Like the old west
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:38 am to AggieHank86
You cant stop people from acquiring guns. Heroin has been banned for decades and there is more available than ever before.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:42 am to Nado Jenkins83
quote:I agree. While I’m glad people have the option to carry, so few people actually carry in relation to the overall population that there's still a good chance shooters won’t encounter someone brave enough to engage them.
I think everyone should just start carrying. Like the old west
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:54 am to AggieHank86
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Out of respect for you, and to keep your thread on point, I will not spend five or six paragraphs outlining all of the ways in which the pro-life folks have taken incremental steps nearly identical to those undertaken by MADD.
Good because it would miss the point.
Wanting abortion to be illegal = wanting DUI to be illegal = wanting mass shootings to be illegal.
It's the totalitarian overboard shite that sets MADD and the anti-gun loons apart. We all agree on the core of "mass shooting bad", "dui bad".
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To get back to your more general point, zealots on any issue invariably tend to focus upon a single element of the analysis.
And, this honestly, is a human problem that goes beyond just politics.
We are terrified to let our children play outside unattended because they "might be abducted" and no one considers the negative effects of keeping our children in a can.
Humans have an enormous ability to see only the obvious often scary super low risk thing and not see the less obvious, near certain risks that seem less scary.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:56 am to SpringBokCock
quote:I would frankly rather the device be the penalty of a first time DUI than nearly ruining people's lives over it.
And for that matter, putting breathalyzer interlock devices on cars owned by dui offenders saves lives - just as a device that would lock guns akin to a cellphone lock.
quote:What the UK and Australia have given up to "achieve" this goal is horrendous.
You can’t let the perfect become the enemy of the good. This is just the NRA blocking any incremental step that moves us closer to the U.K./Australia response to mass shootings.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:58 am to Godfather1
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Ok. We have all of those things now with the exception of eliminating semi-autos. And that will never happen.
And THIS is the problem with the anti-gun groups.
If you ask them. "Hey, if we get what you want and that reduces gun deaths by 25%, are we going to have you back on our doorsteps looking for the other 75%?"...……..they REFUSE to answer.
Because they are CHASING ZERO. And they know it.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:00 am to Ag Zwin
quote:Their original goals were noble.
What’s wrong with MADD? They’ve done a lot to reduce drunk driving deaths and raise awareness.
quote:Well, I might start by pointing out that the fact they have a "CEO" is part of the problem.
Fair disclosure: the CEO is an Aggie and a buddy of mine.
You see. They used to be an organization with a noble mission. They achieved that mission.
Alas, organizations never "stand pat" or "disband"...…..so now...…..they're just full on fricking nut job totalitarians who keep looking for missions.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:01 am to ShortyRob
quote:Correct. But this is what happens when use an irrational event -> allow it to create irrational fears -> enact irrational laws to combat those fears.
We are terrified to let our children play outside unattended because they "might be abducted" and no one considers the negative effects of keeping our children in a can.
The "do somethings" are allowing a crazed irrational killer to turn themselves into unthinking irrational citizens calling for irrational crazed legislation.
It's a terrible chain of events.
Just have a look at the "solutions" thread. The OP doesn't care that he's more likely to win the lottery than be harmed by a mass shooter. He just want's "something done". Whether it actually has any efficacy... matters not.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:08 am to ShortyRob
quote:I think that you have mis-identified the “good“ and the “bad that each of the latter two groups thinks it is addressing.
Wanting abortion to be illegal = wanting DUI to be illegal = wanting mass shootings to be illegal. It's the totalitarian overboard shite that sets MADD and the anti-gun loons apart. We all agree on the core of "mass shooting bad", "dui bad".
Gun grabbers do not see “gun violence” is the ultimate bad. They see “girls” as the ultimate bad. In their minds, gun violence is simply a symptom of that ultimate bad.
MADD Does not see DUI as the ultimate bad. They see “drinking” as the ultimate bad. Traffic deaths are simply a symptom of that ultimate bad.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 9:11 am
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:08 am to ShortyRob
I hate to derail the thread, but you’ve given no reasons here.
An organization that size needs someone in charge. Is this just semantics?
Also, I read through the points on this page.
LINK
I’ll take some tome to read up on it, then consider if I need to tell Adam to wind it down and find another gig.
An organization that size needs someone in charge. Is this just semantics?
Also, I read through the points on this page.
LINK
I’ll take some tome to read up on it, then consider if I need to tell Adam to wind it down and find another gig.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:10 am to ShortyRob
I'm more worried about cars being picked up as the popular weapon of mass murder than I am about guns tbh.
I do support licensing measures for gun ownership though.
I do support licensing measures for gun ownership though.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:11 am to ShortyRob
No inanimate object is the problem in any situation. Dumbasses and the mentally ill can take just about anything and make it deadly should they choose.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:14 am to bmy
quote:It's worked so well for opiates and car accidents. You ever watch Live PD?
I do support licensing measures for gun ownership though.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:25 am to Ag Zwin
quote:
I hate to derail the thread, but you’ve given no reasons here.
Pushing for ever more absurd levels of penalties
Pushing the legal limit to absurdity and wanting more
Pushing DUI checkpoints.
I could go on.
quote:
An organization that size needs someone in charge. Is this just semantics?
The point I meant was simply that such organizations become self perpetuating. Once they achieve their goals, the have to create new goals...….even where there are none.
There is no reason for MADD to exist anymore. But, they can't stop.
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