re: To those saying Trump can’t declare Transtifa a terrorist organization

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Doubling down and celebrating the expansion of the policy/power is not only hypocritical, but a bad move for all of us moving forward.

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I argue that the absence of any label or ability to label “domestic terrorist groups”, groups that clearly engage in domestic terrorism as defined by law, obscures what is and what isn’t domestic terrorism and provides a grey area for law enforcement to operate in.

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The U.S. government does not currently officially designate solely domestic groups as terrorist organizations i

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Pretending this group operates solely in America is peak clown world.

If you form a local antifa group, you will be expected to do a few things:

Track white nationalist, Far Right, and fascist activity Your group will be expected to document fascist groups and organizing in your area. This means gathering information on who is doing what, and knowing the makeup and key players of the various groups that are active. Once information is verified, antifa groups periodically release this information in a publicly available format. It is also crucial to alert any intended targets about specific threats you find while doing research.

Oppose public Far Right organizing. If the Klan or the National Socialist Movement hold a public rally, if Alt Right speakers come to town, or if the Daily Stormer holds a meet up, you will be expected to organize a counter-demonstration. If they hold postering or sticker campaigns, you should not only take down their materials but also put up your own; public outreach campaigns should likewise be countered.

Support other anti-fascists who are targeted by fascists or arrested for antifa-related activities. This could include supporting regional groups, or organizing benefits and fundraisers for prisoners and injured comrades.

Build a culture of non-cooperation with law enforcement. If you have any intention of working with the police, FBI, or other agencies; or if you publicly condemn anti-fascists who break the law: don’t call yourself an anti-fascist. The cops will be Trump supporters; do not collaborate with them.

4) Visibilty
Both the authorities and fascists will be interested in your group s membership, so you should consider the question of public visibility carefully before you start. We strongly recommend against antifa groups being organized using the open, public model of most contemporary activism because of the risk of infiltration. If an emergency situation—such as responding to fascist public event—calls for public meetings and a traditional mass organizing activist model, this should be kept separate from the long-term group structure.

In fact, we recommend that you stay anonymous both while forming and until your first action. Anonymity is your best defense, and you should keep it intact as long as you can. Develop your group, get on the same page, and decide what you want to focus on. Also, note that once groups are formed, it’s very difficult to change the type of person who is in the group. Whether this is about gender, age, race, or counterculture—it will be hard to alter later on.

Use a “closed collective” model: this is a membership-based policy with no open meetings. Don’t allow new people to walk in off the street. Instead, develop a process for researching and vetting people who want to be involved.

One extreme option is to function as a group but not give yourself a name, and not tell fellow activists what you are doing. Once you have a name, fascists will try to figure out “who is in the group.” Not having a public face makes your actions even more anonymous. If people are being targeted, for example after a conflict with fascists, a publicly known group will draw attention first. If there is no public presence, or no formalized organization with a name, this will complicate the process of identification and retaliation.

Consider using a cell model whenever possible, in which one member meets with others when required. For example, you might need a public face to talk to other groups, club owners to convince them to cancel Nazi bands, to meet people to receive information they don’t want to share online, or to table at events. To limit exposure, make sure one person is designated as the semi-public face, even if they never admit they are a group member. This limits how many people can be exposed.

5) Online Presence
As part of staying anonymous, you should carefully manage your online presence. We recommend only using Twitter; it limits the amount of personal information you expose and makes tracking your connections more difficult. Facebook presents numerous, major risks for the security of your members and supporters. A recent doxxing of “antifa” was the result of information bigots culled from people who had interacted with an antifa facebook page. The targets were not even antifa, just sympathizers, but they were identified via facebook.

Websites imply that your group is more legitimate, and should be used especially if you want to doxx local fascists or put up group statements. Again, if you don’t have a group name, you may choose not to have any online presence.

Individual members, when possible, should get off social media, especially facebook, altogether. Where they don’t, they should maintain strictly separate personal and political accounts. LINK

Member the handful of times the fed has gone after militia groups here? I member.

The only difference with antifa is that they’ve actually carried out violent acts here and in other countries.

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Your quick processing has failed you.

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No, I just laid out the binary nature of this. Either. They're an fto, where the government gets expanded authority, or they are not, and the government has their typical authority. There is no gray area.

I was specifically giving you the ability to address how there is not a binary status or nature to this discussion, and as of your last post you have punted on that response.

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With this dumb logic, the mafia never existed because they didn't explicitly write down their goals, either

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Rico prosecutions of the mafia did not require an examination of their goals, only their actions.

And you don't really want to start the mafia comparisons because that hurts labeling ANTIFA as a single organization.

Goldman


Hmmmm

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Anyone saying ANTIFA isn't a terrorist organization are just complicit in their crimes.

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Just like every 2A advocate member is complicit in school shootings.

Be careful what you ask for. Because you sound just like a leftist, just aimed at a different target.

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If you remove limitations on government to attack "the left", then you remove limitations for that government to attack you, too.

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I’m not advocating for any legal shite. I have no opinion on whether we can or can’t legally designate them a terrorist organization.

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Your thought process is poisoned by partisan brain rot and too much in/out group identification and you miss the larger picture.

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What’s my thought process here and what’s the larger picture that I’m missing?

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