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re: To those saying Trump can’t declare Transtifa a terrorist organization

Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:00 am to
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:00 am to
Yeah I figured sooner or later that would happen.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:00 am to
To use terrorism-related concepts, the Taliban and AQ worked together, too. Doesn't make them the same organization.

Even the trials on The Commission targeted the individual families with RICO. They were just all prosecuted at the same time. The claims against each boss were based in underlying claims about members of the respective family.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:01 am to
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No, more like ISIS.

Even ISIS has a leadership and organizational structure.

They just promoted lone wolf attacks in the name of ISIS.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:02 am to
That's literally how all terror networks are constructed. That's why they are called "networks" and employ "cells". These aren't corporations.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:02 am to
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To use terrorism-related concepts, the Taliban and AQ worked together, too. Doesn't make them the same organization.

Even the trials on The Commission targeted the individual families with RICO. They were just all prosecuted at the same time. The claims against each boss were based in underlying claims about members of the respective family.
Great so Portland Antifa is Gambino

NYC is Bonano.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:03 am to
You cany BUY this level of acksywully and naval gazing! What a treat!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:04 am to
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Great so Portland Antifa is Gambino

NYC is Bonano.

And each has to be labeled as their own group, exactly.

Each group can be prosecuted for whatever illegal conspiracies their members engaged in, up to and including RICO violations (although it probably won't be necessary).
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:05 am to
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And each has to be labeled as their own group, exactly.

Cool.

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Each group can be prosecuted for whatever illegal conspiracies their members engaged in, up to and including RICO violations (although it probably won't be necessary).

No foolin.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:06 am to
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You cany BUY this level of acksywully and naval gazing! What a treat!

Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:08 am to
again its a bad comparison. The mafia was driven by financial motivations and organized their individual networks or families via a commission to avoid turf wars.

terrorists organize under common ideological and political motivations, operating in networks and cells at the local levels.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:09 am to
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again its a bad comparison. The mafia was driven by financial motivations and organized their individual networks or families via a commission to avoid turf wars.

terrorists organize under common ideological and political motivations, operating in networks and cells at the local levels.
Naw see that's different.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:13 am to
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The mafia was driven by financial motivations and organized their individual networks or families via a commission to avoid turf wars.

What does this have to do with the nature of the organizations?

The issue is the inter-connected nature of the people. The discussion of why they may be organizing isn't relevant.

Nobody is going to argue that a local chapter isn't subject to potential conspiracy charges (regardless of the ideology behind that group's formation).

The problem is connecting the various local chapters (and unaffiliated individuals) as a single organization/network.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:14 am to
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If you're not going to do things that violate the law why do you need to conceal your identity while legally protesting anything?


Wait...werent you just calling for Antifa protestors to be doxxed..whether they were committing crimes or not?

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Antifa thrives on anonymity in their anarchy. Unmask them and force them to have their face associated with their chiaos and violence.

Then true media outlets and social media streams need to make these people and their families publicly known. Where they live, where they work. schools they attend? The public needs to know who the violent people are in their midst.




Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:16 am to
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Even ISIS has a leadership and organizational structure.


There are many "branches" of ISIS. Africa, Europe, ME all have ISIS chapters. Similar to Antifa. Just not as inept.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:20 am to
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He can only make such designations based on Congressional authority granted to him to do so. There is no such statute for a "domestic terror organization".
There certainly is a designation for domestic terrorism. Obviously, individuals motivated toward that end within an organization, loose nit or not, would be domestic terrorists.

Equally obvious, is the fact that antifa organizations do exist. They are named, have organizational structure, websites, and leaders. The fact that they claim otherwise notwithstanding, groups of antifa do not simply show up at a designated time and place with a designated mission without organization.

Belief to the contrary is extraordinarily naïve, and you're not a naïve person. Once designated, individuals involved in the public face of antifa could be subject to Rico standards, etc.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:20 am to
a "single network" is a non sequitur.

They are clearly an organization with common goals, branding, historical origins, and motivations. The existence of chapters defies your argument. The definition of chapter is a local branch of a society.

Operationally, they work within fragmented cells (mainly in secret and largely disconnected from the other chapters) because that's what terror networks engaged in criminal activity do. That's what they ALL do. If Antifa isn't a terror organization than no one is.

Stop this nonsense
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:23 am to
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Stop this nonsense


I don't think he can.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:23 am to
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There certainly is a designation for domestic terrorism.


There's no federal mechanism to label any group a domestic terrorist beyond symbolic, and there is no change in authority granted with this symbolic designation.

Hence why I compared it to Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.

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antifa organizations do exist.

OrganizationS? Yes.

The question is if it's one organization (singular).

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Once designated, individuals involved in the public face of antifa could be subject to Rico standards, etc.

RICO is available at all times, without any such designation.

But RICO does limit prosecution based on the actual organization(s) involved.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:25 am to
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a "single network" is a non sequitur.

Not if "Antifa" is labeled a domestic terror organization (singular).

That requires, literally, a single network.

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The existence of chapters defies your argument.

No. Each chapter is clearly its own separate organization, and within that structure can be examined legally.

The distinction is important. Can what Rose City Antifa does in Portland affect Students Resisting Fascism at Iowa State? Are they under one group or are they two separate groups with similar ideologies?

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:26 am to
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