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re: To the truly independent voters of the board
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:06 am to Homesick Tiger
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:06 am to Homesick Tiger
I am a registered independent with a right lean. I think the left has shifted entirely too far to the left on every major issue and there is not a single Democratic presidential candidate I would support. I detest the harm that has been done to this country with their obsessive focus on getting Trump. I also feel that Schiff and Nadler are 2 despicable politicians that could care less about truth & facts. The specter of socialism coming from the far left (AOC, Tlaib, Omar, etc.) haunts me. With that said, I’m also not a fan of Donald Trump and it’s primarily his style. He’s extremely divisive, self-centered, impulsive, and narcissistic. However, his policies are more aligned to my views.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 9:16 am
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Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:16 am to Homesick Tiger
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The only thing I don't understand about their voting is their throwaway votes on a candidate who has no chance in hell in winning an election.
To some, it is not a throwaway vote. It is a vote for the person that you think will do the best job for the country. I'm not going to cast a vote for someone who I don't agree with their policies or their message. I believe in small government, therefore I won't vote either Republican or Democrat next election.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:17 am to gumpinmizzou
quote:How about not thinking of it as the "lesser of two evils" and considering the future of our country?
Also, this post comes across a little condescending. But the way I think of it is a candidate has to earn my vote. Voting for someone just so another person doesn't win isn't good enough for me. I take having a vote seriously, and I'm not going to use it on someone who is just a "lesser of two evils." And I'm definitely not gonna vote for someone just because of the letter next to their name.
You must realize that there are actual policies that effect you, right?
And that some of those policies can actually shift us from a Constitutional Republic, to one party with unlimited power and total control, that wants to shift us towards Socialism having a super-majority voter base forever simply because they made the borders open and granted 30 million illegals amnesty. And then promised so much free shite that they essentially bribe an entire generation and class of people to vote for them just to keep getting free shite.
Do you want to eventually be Venezuela? Because it really can happen. To not see it is beyond naive.
How do you not vote to avoid that kind of possible future?
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 9:21 am
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:18 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
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The country needs a viable 3rd party to keep this two party extremist rhetoric in check. We don’t have that currently, and it’s gotten out of control.
The problem is the Republicans aren't extremist nor or they really right of center much anymore. Almost all but a very small handful, like Paul and Cruz, are center. Hell even Cruz is center most of the time. They grow government too.
OP, I am registered as an R, but consider my self a true libertarian and I like to call out bullshite on both sides. I will be voting for Trump.
There are very few policy positions I have not liked with Trump. I do not think he is doing enough honestly, but it is better than anyone else since Reagan.
I do not like Trump as a person though. His kids, I do like them, but not Trump himself. But I don't vote on if I think a person is a good person, I vote based on policy, essentially can you follow the Constitution and role back those items that don't.
If I only voted on if I thought someone was a good person or not, I would be stuck voting for someone like George H Bush(cia stint not withstanding) or like Romney.
I would love someone that was a good person to get in there and just speak the truth. I want Paul to win, but he blows it on the national stage. I want someone truely to the right. Small government on all issues including social issues.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:18 am to Homesick Tiger
I guess by this board's standards, I'm somewhat independent. I'm a registered R, but I don't vote for an R just because they are an R.
I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I voted for McMullin.
I think Trump is obnoxious, crass, and does not have the personality to be president. I despise his use of Twitter. I think all of his attacks are beneath the office of the President.
I do like some of his ideas. I like that he is trying to pull us out of being the world cop. I like the fact that he stands up for our businesses in trade issues. I like the fact he is trying to do something on illegal immigration.
But there is no way, no how, I could even consider voting for one of the Democrat front-runners. There was a time in the past where I could have considered Biden. I thought his foreign policy chops were top notch. Now, I know that all of his foreign policy experience was just a way for him to be corrupt when dealing with other countries. People talk about Trump being corrupted by other countries, that doesn't hold a candle to what is going on with the Biden family.
While I have a lot of issues with today's GOP (they have forgotten what fiscal responsibility looks like, and we have way too many hawks). The fact is today's Democrat party has completely abandoned their base. Like it or not, they used to be the party for the poor, the weak, etc. Now, all they care about is illegals and what bathroom someone can use. It is insane.
Based on what we know today, I would vote for Trump in 2020. Not because he needs my vote... he will win LA. But... I'll be damned if i have to listen to any more democrat complaints about the "popular vote". Whoever is going to be president, and I think that will be Trump, I want to win the popular vote.
I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I voted for McMullin.
I think Trump is obnoxious, crass, and does not have the personality to be president. I despise his use of Twitter. I think all of his attacks are beneath the office of the President.
I do like some of his ideas. I like that he is trying to pull us out of being the world cop. I like the fact that he stands up for our businesses in trade issues. I like the fact he is trying to do something on illegal immigration.
But there is no way, no how, I could even consider voting for one of the Democrat front-runners. There was a time in the past where I could have considered Biden. I thought his foreign policy chops were top notch. Now, I know that all of his foreign policy experience was just a way for him to be corrupt when dealing with other countries. People talk about Trump being corrupted by other countries, that doesn't hold a candle to what is going on with the Biden family.
While I have a lot of issues with today's GOP (they have forgotten what fiscal responsibility looks like, and we have way too many hawks). The fact is today's Democrat party has completely abandoned their base. Like it or not, they used to be the party for the poor, the weak, etc. Now, all they care about is illegals and what bathroom someone can use. It is insane.
Based on what we know today, I would vote for Trump in 2020. Not because he needs my vote... he will win LA. But... I'll be damned if i have to listen to any more democrat complaints about the "popular vote". Whoever is going to be president, and I think that will be Trump, I want to win the popular vote.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:19 am to BFIV
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That's easy to explain. Many voters look at the candidates and realize they are faced with the decision to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Not to me it isn't. One of those two evils, in your words, is going to affect their daily livelihood no matter how clear their conscience is. It's like that volunteer tax, to fund government run programs, we pay here in Arkansas when we get our tax notices. I don't like paying the amount of tax I pay but I have to pay it. I choose not to pay the volunteer tax. Same with voting. You have to live under one or the other's political agenda so why not vote for the one that best suits you, even if you dislike him like you dislike taxes?
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:23 am to Homesick Tiger
I don't feel tied to the Republican Party. They just hold more positions that I also hold. Being against socialism is a huge one.
ETA: I would have voted for Jim Webb over Trump in 2016, so there is definitely at least SOME portion of the D party that aligns with most of my beliefs. No candidates like that are running this year though.
ETA: I would have voted for Jim Webb over Trump in 2016, so there is definitely at least SOME portion of the D party that aligns with most of my beliefs. No candidates like that are running this year though.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 10:37 am
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:33 am to Homesick Tiger
My two cents:
- To preface, I would consider myself a conservative-leaning independent. I've never voted for a Democrat for any federal office but did not vote for Trump and almost surely won't in 2020, either. My vote was most likely going third party unless Sanders had gotten the Dem nomination.
- I think Trump is a blowhard and an incompetent leader. That has always been the hilarious thing about hysterical liberals who claim he is a totalitarian fascist or hardcore Trumpers who claim he is playing 20D chess or whatever - he isn't capable enough to be either, has built about zero real support on Capitol Hill, has never built a coalition to get difficult legislation passed, doesn't know how to utilize the levers of power, and doesn't know how to be President.
- Pelosi and company were just waiting him to frick up and do something like this because they knew he couldn't help himself. She stayed pretty patient when her left flank was screaming about impeaching every little thing and is now pouncing on her opportunity.
- All that said, I don't think he's actually going to be removed from office. I have a hard time seeing the Senate getting the votes absent more information coming out.
- Again, this doesn't really change how I was voting in 2020. I was most likely voting third party, anyway, unless Sanders got the Dem nomination in which case I see him as the most dangerous threat to the country in many many years and I'd vote for Trump. Warren might be heading that way as well, but I'll have to see what the Senate is looking like.
ETA: I live in Illinois as well, so my vote basically means jack shite.
- To preface, I would consider myself a conservative-leaning independent. I've never voted for a Democrat for any federal office but did not vote for Trump and almost surely won't in 2020, either. My vote was most likely going third party unless Sanders had gotten the Dem nomination.
- I think Trump is a blowhard and an incompetent leader. That has always been the hilarious thing about hysterical liberals who claim he is a totalitarian fascist or hardcore Trumpers who claim he is playing 20D chess or whatever - he isn't capable enough to be either, has built about zero real support on Capitol Hill, has never built a coalition to get difficult legislation passed, doesn't know how to utilize the levers of power, and doesn't know how to be President.
- Pelosi and company were just waiting him to frick up and do something like this because they knew he couldn't help himself. She stayed pretty patient when her left flank was screaming about impeaching every little thing and is now pouncing on her opportunity.
- All that said, I don't think he's actually going to be removed from office. I have a hard time seeing the Senate getting the votes absent more information coming out.
- Again, this doesn't really change how I was voting in 2020. I was most likely voting third party, anyway, unless Sanders got the Dem nomination in which case I see him as the most dangerous threat to the country in many many years and I'd vote for Trump. Warren might be heading that way as well, but I'll have to see what the Senate is looking like.
ETA: I live in Illinois as well, so my vote basically means jack shite.
This post was edited on 9/27/19 at 9:41 am
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:35 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm a registered Independent.
I actually think I'm a registered republican... where can I check
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:39 am to 0
Spoken like a true loyal democrat. The fact that you try to share blame admits you see the guiltiness of the Devil draped with blue. So you try to pin it to both parties to justify your acceptance of the evil you see going on.
It's similar to justifying not stopping a crime or not correcting a person when you have similar past histories...It happens often in the hood, people take the I will mind my own business, while some lady or man gets their head cracked, and then they will follow up with the rationalization that the person being abused deserved it. At some point you have to man up and say enough is enough.
It's similar to justifying not stopping a crime or not correcting a person when you have similar past histories...It happens often in the hood, people take the I will mind my own business, while some lady or man gets their head cracked, and then they will follow up with the rationalization that the person being abused deserved it. At some point you have to man up and say enough is enough.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:46 am to MarineVet
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Spoken like a true loyal democrat. The fact that you try to share blame admits you see the guiltiness of the Devil draped with blue. So you try to pin it to both parties to justify your acceptance of the evil you see going on.
What the frick are you talking about?
quote:
It's similar to justifying not stopping a crime or not correcting a person when you have similar past histories...It happens often in the hood, people take the I will mind my own business, while some lady or man gets their head cracked, and then they will follow up with the rationalization that the person being abused deserved it. At some point you have to man up and say enough is enough.
Seriously, what the frick are you talking about?
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:50 am to 0
When you learn how to read then you may understand... Try to reread what you wrote, then read what I wrote... that would be a start for you. Hopefully at that point you will infer that the blame for the current situation isn't on both parties...slow one. And the premise you made by using both parties is under assault by my post... low information voters never can get it... 
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:54 am to teeMike
quote:My problem with people like you is this. Who gives a frick if you don’t like his style. Talk is cheap, look at his actions. Results are the only thing that matters.
With that said, I’m also not a fan of Donald Trump and it’s primarily his style. He’s extremely divisive, self-centered, impulsive, and narcissistic. However, his policies are more aligned to my views.
You’re not voting for him to be your fricking spouse, preacher, or mentor. You’re voting for him to be a leader and get shite done, like securing our borders, appointing judges that rule by law and not emotions and political leanings, and strengthening our economy by cutting red tape and useless regulations and fair trade deals.
Get over yourself and your fee-fees.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:57 am to whocares1
quote:
To some, it is not a throwaway vote. It is a vote for the person that you think will do the best job for the country. I'm not going to cast a vote for someone who I don't agree with their policies or their message. I believe in small government, therefore I won't vote either Republican or Democrat next election.
quote:Seems legit.
whocares1
Throw away your vote, who cares.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:58 am to BeefDawg
quote:End of discussion.
How about not thinking of it as the "lesser of two evils" and considering the future of our country? You must realize that there are actual policies that effect you, right? And that some of those policies can actually shift us from a Constitutional Republic, to one party with unlimited power and total control, that wants to shift us towards Socialism having a super-majority voter base forever simply because they made the borders open and granted 30 million illegals amnesty. And then promised so much free shite that they essentially bribe an entire generation and class of people to vote for them just to keep getting free shite. Do you want to eventually be Venezuela? Because it really can happen. To not see it is beyond naive. How do you not vote to avoid that kind of possible future?
Posted on 9/27/19 at 9:59 am to bhtigerfan
quote:
My problem with people like you is this. Who gives a frick if you don’t like his style. Talk is cheap, look at his actions. Results are the only thing that matters.
You’re not voting for him to be your fricking spouse, preacher, or mentor. You’re voting for him to be a leader and get shite done, like securing our borders, appointing judges that rule by law and not emotions and political leanings, and strengthening our economy by cutting red tape and useless regulations and fair trade deals.
Get over yourself and your fee-fees.
Pretty much how I feel. Personally I like that he is an a-hole, but I hate the whining from him. Be an a-hole and own it. Call mother frickers from other countries out to their face. Don't back down.
To really change this country it is going to take an extreme a-hole who gives zero fricks how others feel about them. Trump is only half in, half out.
I want him to go full on a-hole, burn it to the ground.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:04 am to Homesick Tiger
I didn't vote in 2016. I wasn't voting for Hillary nor was I convinced of Trump. The last 3 years have changed my opinion.
I've watched orchestrated attempt after attempt to politically assassinate anyone with conservative ideology. I've watched the media gobble it up and regurgitate it to the masses without remorse. I am sick of it.
Unless something incredible happens before Nov. 2020, I am 100% KAG
I've watched orchestrated attempt after attempt to politically assassinate anyone with conservative ideology. I've watched the media gobble it up and regurgitate it to the masses without remorse. I am sick of it.
Unless something incredible happens before Nov. 2020, I am 100% KAG
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:05 am to lsu777
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To really change this country it is going to take an extreme a-hole who gives zero fricks how others feel about them. Trump is only half in, half out.
Meh I don't think so. Congress is what matters. A few more years of Trump is nothing in the scheme of things. Odds are that we don't pass any difficult legislation. Just a bunch of stuff that can be easily undone.
It's it's easy to change, it's easy to revert back. You have to do the difficult stuff. But that requires coalition building, which is not happening at all.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:05 am to AggieHank86
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Lastly, I cannot imagine the Dem candidate who would be bad enough to EVER induce me to cast a vote for Dan Patrick
I voted L in numerous State races in 2018. Patrick and Bush in particular.
I’ve voted D numerous times in my life, and while I consider myself a Republican, I’ve always tried to not to be beholden to the party.
Chet Edwards was the last time I think I’ll ever vote D unless something seismic happens in the D party. If it turns out Trump has been running a human trafficking ring and Tulsi or Yang is the opponent, sure.
Otherwise it’s R or L from here on out unfortunately.
Posted on 9/27/19 at 10:10 am to MarineVet
quote:It’s called projection.
Spoken like a true loyal democrat. The fact that you try to share blame admits you see the guiltiness of the Devil draped with blue. So you try to pin it to both parties to justify your acceptance of the evil you see going on. It's similar to justifying not stopping a crime or not correcting a person when you have similar past histories...It happens often in the hood, people take the I will mind my own business, while some lady or man gets their head cracked, and then they will follow up with the rationalization that the person being abused deserved it. At some point you have to man up and say enough is enough.
It’s a common trait among the leftists.
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