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re: To the citizens of Taiwan.....RUN!!!
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
The F-22 is the killer of the skies. Most will never know what took them down. Any plane, Any country.
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:34 am to goatmilker
Yeah I have always been a fan. I remember melting when Obama stopped their production.
I saw something on them (it was about the new Russian/Chinese planes and how shitty they were) about how it's impossible to upgrade the tech like we have kept doing with the F15/16/18.
It made me sad.
I saw something on them (it was about the new Russian/Chinese planes and how shitty they were) about how it's impossible to upgrade the tech like we have kept doing with the F15/16/18.
It made me sad.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's not "for the taking". Taiwan will destroy that production before they let China have it.
For a lawyer, your reading comprehension sucks.
Taiwan destroying it, China destroying it, it being destroyed by war/invasion...the point remains unchanged. But thank you for your contribution/correction.
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Taiwan has some formidable defenses, but China can take Taiwan if they want to. Taking Taiwan without destroying everything in the process is another story. That's always been the rub.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 11:56 am to Darth_Vader
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We are in a sad state when it comes to fighting a maritime conflict.
If leading the world in combat tonnage and lethality is a "sad state", then I'll take it. The graph is misleading as it is for ALL shipbuilding, not just military. Cruise ships and tankers have lots of tonnage, but no military application. We haven't had our economy on a war footing for 80 years, but we could get back there pretty quickly if push came to shove. What we're really in need of is more destroyers.
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:09 pm to goatmilker
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The F-22 is the killer of the skies.
It is an amazing aircraft.
That being said, being outnumbered 5-1 is not a 1-1 scenario.
The J-20 is not a joke of a plane.
As for the radar signature, the angle of encounter is quite important. Head on, it is virtually invisible. I mean you can guess where it went, but if it is a now you see it, then you don’t scenario, then that advantage is pointless.
Maneuverability, however, is a major plus for the F-22/35.
Lastly, fuel and payload need to be factored in. The F-22 is at a disadvantage.
In short, if the F-22 can engage while the signature is visible, advantage F-22. If not, it’s a wash. And that’s in a heads up 1-1 scenario.
The F-35 would have even more advantages.
Still, the J-20 is a formidable opponent, especially in the numbers that could be brought forth.
I’m not sure how it could be argued otherwise.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:38 pm to 3Son
Give them 12 or so nuclear weapons with range deep into China. Give them the codes and all capabilities to launch if/when they need to defend themselves.
We can then quit worrying about China invading Taiwan.
We can then quit worrying about China invading Taiwan.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:43 pm to Tridentds
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Give them 12 or so nuclear weapons with range deep into China. Give them the codes and all capabilities to launch if/when they need to defend themselves.
What would you do if another country gave short range nukes to Cuba to defend itself against us?
Oh yeah, that happened and almost resulted in WWIII.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:55 pm to jimmy the leg
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The answer isn’t a simple one.
Why isn't it? After all, it is my understanding China has a resource problem. You know, oil, gas, and other fuels needed for war. Certainly they are not going to attack Russia in order to try and solve it, are they?
This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:57 pm to jimmy the leg
Spot on.
The other thing people fail to consider is how aerial combat is conducted these days. It's not "dogfighting" like in the movies.
For the most part, it's about getting the enemy aircraft inside your weapons systems' envelope/range, taking a shot, then creating distance to stay outside of their weapons systems' envelope/range.
Almost like "bounding/breaking contact" for ground troops. Head on, shoot, turn away, get distance, turn into them again, close the distance, shoot, turn away, get distance. Always maintaining a range advantage...their missiles time out and yours don't.
Weapons/guidance systems and their effective ranges are huge. The ability to lock/shoot while facing away is also an advantage. Power/speed/acceleration/turning is huge.
Having numbers helps because as a unit, they can turn in and turn away, replacing each other, maintaining continuous pressure.
It's not like in Top Gun 2, where the "5th Gen Fighters" come out of nowhere and tuck in where you can see them in your rearview mirror while they're taking the shot. The advantage for the F-22 is being unseen/untrackable by enemy systems at a greater range, being able to engage at greater ranges, and the ability to lock/shoot in virtually any direction (an "over the shoulder shot" as an O-6 fighter pilot described it).
The other thing people fail to consider is how aerial combat is conducted these days. It's not "dogfighting" like in the movies.
For the most part, it's about getting the enemy aircraft inside your weapons systems' envelope/range, taking a shot, then creating distance to stay outside of their weapons systems' envelope/range.
Almost like "bounding/breaking contact" for ground troops. Head on, shoot, turn away, get distance, turn into them again, close the distance, shoot, turn away, get distance. Always maintaining a range advantage...their missiles time out and yours don't.
Weapons/guidance systems and their effective ranges are huge. The ability to lock/shoot while facing away is also an advantage. Power/speed/acceleration/turning is huge.
Having numbers helps because as a unit, they can turn in and turn away, replacing each other, maintaining continuous pressure.
It's not like in Top Gun 2, where the "5th Gen Fighters" come out of nowhere and tuck in where you can see them in your rearview mirror while they're taking the shot. The advantage for the F-22 is being unseen/untrackable by enemy systems at a greater range, being able to engage at greater ranges, and the ability to lock/shoot in virtually any direction (an "over the shoulder shot" as an O-6 fighter pilot described it).
Posted on 5/27/24 at 12:59 pm to 3Son
In the words of Chesty Puller, there arent enough Chinaman in the world to stop a well armed marine division from going where it wants to go. Or something like that, but that was before they wore dresses.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:20 pm to 3Son
None of that could be propaganda
Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:30 pm to Timeoday
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Certainly they are not going to attack Russia in order to try and solve it, are they?
Why would they?
As for there being a resource issue, that only makes sense if China refused to tighten its belt. As noted, for a short time the population was told to miss a meal a day, and they obeyed with almost no push back. During a war, I would imagine that would become the norm.
In short, they would manage, and for an extended period of time no less.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:47 pm to Tantal
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We haven't had our economy on a war footing for 80 years, but we could get back there pretty quickly if push came to shove.
No, we couldn't.
It's hilarious you think otherwise.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:51 pm to Longhorn Actual
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Taiwan has some formidable defenses, but China can take Taiwan if they want to. Taking Taiwan without destroying everything in the process is another story. That's always been the rub.
I think the plan would be a blockade until they capitulate.
Posted on 5/27/24 at 4:19 pm to Strannix
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In the words of Chesty Puller, there arent enough Chinaman in the world to stop a well armed marine division from going where it wants to go. Or something like that, but that was before they wore dresses.
lol … good ‘ole Chesty
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