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re: Three simple rules for the poor to follow in order to get into the middle class
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:02 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:02 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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People do get sick. It's not a what if. Everyone gets sick at some point in their life. It's not like an option to not get sick.
Not everyone gets so sick they are unable to work or pay medical bills. And we have SSDI and medicaid for this reason.
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:02 pm to Dawgfanman
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Probably covered by the 25% that didn’t reach middle class..this is not a negative message of blame being relayed here, it’s a message of hope..
I am all for hope, but its not as simple as 1,2,3. Once again the number one cause of personal bankruptcies is medical. It's a good way to get kicked out of the middle-class even by doing 1,2,3.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:03 pm to Centinel
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You really don't like statistics do you?
What makes you say that? 100% of people who have obtained one million dollars have become millionaires.
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But for the overwhelming majority of poor in this country, they are there by their own decisions in life
Nobody gets to choose their parents. I can promise you my student didn't choose to be born HIV+ or to live in a home without utilities.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:03 pm to Centinel
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Not everyone gets so sick they are unable to work or pay medical bills. And we have SSDI and medicaid for this reason.
Yeah but if you're on medicaid and SSDI you are not middle-class. According to conservatives if you do 1,2,3 you're middle-class.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:03 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Do you realize the leading cause of personal bankruptcies are medical related?
I suggest you read this article
Elizabeth Warren and her ilk are, as usual, telling a half-truth at best and often an all out lie.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:03 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Once again the number one cause of personal bankruptcies is medical.
And how much of these medical issues are due to poor life choices?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:03 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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What if you work full-time and you get sick? Do you realize the leading cause of personal bankruptcies are medical related? I mean if you work full-time and can't afford health insurance or you have a high deductible policy offered by your job and you get a serious illness or if you are in an accident and you can't work how does 1,2, and 3 keep you out of going bankrupt?
Your scenario is certainly possibly and happens often not only to poor but also to middle class. Your scenario is based upon something that people cannot control. The only thing that the OP is talking about are things that you CAN control.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:04 pm to 4cubbies
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Nobody gets to choose their parents. I can promise you my student didn't choose to be born HIV+ or to live in a home without utilities.
This in no way addresses my point that
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But for the overwhelming majority of poor in this country, they are there by their own decisions in life
You keep bringing up outliers. This is not about outliers. This is about average people making shitty decisions in life.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:06 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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eah but if you're on medicaid and SSDI you are not middle-class. According to conservatives if you do 1,2,3 you're middle-class.
Did you even read the damn article?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:08 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I am all for hope, but its not as simple as 1,2,3. Once again the number one cause of personal bankruptcies is medical. It's a good way to get kicked out of the middle-class even by doing 1,2,3.
Statistically, according to the article, doing 1/2/3 gives a person a 75% chance of moving into the middle class and a 98% chance of living above the poverty line. Which of the 3 should they not do because they might get sick? Or are you suggesting that a few other things might help..if so tell us. Or are you suggesting it takes a bit of “luck”? Because I’d say that’s probably true as well. We are all a bad car wreck or cancer diagnosis from testing the limits of being able to be self sufficient.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:08 pm to Eli Goldfinger
1. Always buy stuff with credit.
2. Don't work.
3. Collect food stamps.
2. Don't work.
3. Collect food stamps.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:09 pm to Centinel
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Live with them? Takes care of that high cost of living problem now doesn't it?
How can you work full-time if your parents have early stage dementia or have a disability? Live with your parents? That is a good idea to save money, but you have to pay for OTC things, rent or taxes or house payments, utilities, food and yes you have to take care of your parents and let's say you work at War-Mart full time where the management never offers you a consistent schedule and you do did 1,2,3.
Let's say you are married and did not have kids out of wedlock and you are doing 1,2,3? Things still happen. I am not denying hardworking and making good choices, but real life isn't as easy as someone making choices that you think they should make.
People like living with family nearby and living in communities they have known their whole life. People like to take care of family and value family in New York, San Francisco and Chicago. Just move to get away from family because conservatives what you to make choices.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:10 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I've answered this twice. They looked at all peoples. They didn't exclude based on background and upbringing. Here's a quote...
according to what information?
quote:Sample of adults not some adults.
Our research shows that of American adults who followed these three simple rules, only about 2?percent are in poverty
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:12 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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How can you work full-time if your parents have early stage dementia or have a disability? Live with your parents? That is a good idea to save money, but you have to pay for OTC things, rent or taxes or house payments, utilities, food and yes you have to take care of your parents and let's say you work at War-Mart full time where the management never offers you a consistent schedule and you do did 1,2,3.
Let's say you are married and did not have kids out of wedlock and you are doing 1,2,3? Things still happen. I am not denying hardworking and making good choices, but real life isn't as easy as someone making choices that you think they should make.
What if, what if, what if. All outliers. Read the damn article.
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People like living with family nearby and living in communities they have known their whole life. People like to take care of family and value family in New York, San Francisco and Chicago. Just move to get away from family because conservatives what you to make choices.
That's fine. Just don't complain when you stay poor. You made the choice not to do what's necessary to move out of poverty.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:13 pm to Centinel
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And how much of these medical issues are due to poor life choices?
Prostate cancer, leukemia, Lou Gehrigs's disease, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, brain tumors, MS, Pancreatic cancer, kidney disease, stroke are often due to things beyond your control and life choices. Age is the number risk factor for prostate cancer, breast cancer, and stroke and high blood pressure. So your solution is to not get old?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:14 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Prostate cancer, leukemia, Lou Gehrigs's disease, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, brain tumors, MS, Pancreatic cancer, kidney disease, stroke are often due to things beyond your control and life choices. Age is the number risk factor for prostate cancer, breast cancer, and stroke and high blood pressure. So your solution is to not get old?
You didn't answer my question.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:14 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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So your solution is to not get old?
Its that simple.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:14 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
This thread has turned into a circle jerk..it obviously would be better to be born in Venezuela and only need to learn to boil water to climb up..face it poor Americans you’re stuck..next topic
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:15 pm to Centinel
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That's fine. Just don't complain when you stay poor. You made the choice not to do what's necessary to move out of poverty.
yeah, but we are all agreeing that a person does 1,2,3. They made the three right choices you wanted them to make.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:15 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:Thanks Obama.
I mean if you work full-time and can't afford health insurance or you have a high deductible policy offered by your job and you get a serious illness
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