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re: Three simple rules for the poor to follow in order to get into the middle class
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:16 pm to Jake88
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:16 pm to Jake88
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I've answered this twice. They looked at all peoples. They didn't exclude based on background and upbringing. Here's a quote...
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Dude, you only know that they looked at American adults. These adults could all live on the Upper East Side of Manhattan for all you know. You have no clue about their backgrounds or experiences. The article doesn't even stipulate that these American adults were born into poverty.
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:17 pm to Centinel
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You didn't answer my question.
Yes, okay. Let's assume the person makes good lifestyle choices. Eats right and exercises and does not smoke and drink too much. Breast cancer, prostate cancer, stroke, ALS, MS, pancreatic cancer, bladder cancer, high blood pressure still happen to people who do 1,2,3. Age is the number 1 risk factor for the most common cancer in men. Age is the number risk factor for breast cancer for women. ALS and Leukemia often has no know cause. You can make lifestyle choices and still get ALS.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:18 pm to 4cubbies
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Dude, you only know that they looked at American adults. These adults could all live on the Upper East Side of Manhattan for all you know. You have no clue about their backgrounds or experiences. The article doesn't even stipulate that these American adults were born into poverty.
You genuinely don't understand what the article is saying do you?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:18 pm to Centinel
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This in no way addresses my point that
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But for the overwhelming majority of poor in this country, they are there by their own decisions in life
Forgive me for not being able to take your word for this.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:19 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Ben Shapiro constantly trumpets these three things in his speeches on college campuses.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:20 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Age is the number 1 risk factor for the most common cancer in men. Age is the number risk factor for breast cancer for women.
And did those people not live outside of poverty the majority of there lives?
Based on my family history, I know cancer is going to kill me. That doesn't change the fact I made the correct decisions listed in the article and went from living in poverty to an upper middle class lifestyle.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:20 pm to 4cubbies
It's a randomized sample of American adults. It would include all.
This is not a conservative think tank.
This is not a conservative think tank.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:21 pm to Dawgfanman
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Statistically, according to the article, doing 1/2/3 gives a person a 75% chance of moving into the middle class and a 98% chance of living above the poverty line. Which of the 3 should they not do because they might get sick? Or are you suggesting that a few other things might help..if so tell us. Or are you suggesting it takes a bit of “luck”? Because I’d say that’s probably true as well. We are all a bad car wreck or cancer diagnosis from testing the limits of being able to be self sufficient.
I agree we are all diagnose away from being in the poor house. My point is that even if you do 1,2,3 you can be poor. Conservatives just say do these three things and then want to cut programs and benefits that help people who did 1,2,3 and still through bad luck or other circumstances still end up poor.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:21 pm to Centinel
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You genuinely don't understand what the article is saying do you?
I understand what it is trying to imply. It concerns me that the actual study doesn't align with the paragraphs and paragraphs of commentary. Do you ever read things critically or do you always take things at face value?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:22 pm to 4cubbies
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These threads are beyond frustrating. Hey everyone! Follow this one simple rule to become a millionaire: earn millions of dollars.
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4cubbies
Rule 1
Don’t bang a homeless dude and let him steal your bike
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:22 pm to Jake88
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It's a randomized sample of American adults. It would include all.
How do you know? The article did not include any methodology.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:23 pm to 4cubbies
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Forgive me for not being able to take your word for this.
The statistics are there for you to see.
Are you honestly arguing that if someone does the three things listed in the article, they'll still end up in poverty if they came from poverty?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:23 pm to Centinel
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And did those people not live outside of poverty the majority of there lives?
Based on my family history, I know cancer is going to kill me. That doesn't change the fact I made the correct decisions listed in the article and went from living in poverty to an upper middle class lifestyle.
It's good that you made the correct decisions, but we all know that an illness especially a long prolonged illness or disability can push people from upper-middle class to poverty. You made the correct decisions and there are people who still make the correct decisions and end up poor.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:24 pm to 4cubbies
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False. One of my students was born HIV positive. His father didn't give him his ARV meds every day, as prescribed. Would you tell my 8 year old student that he had access to health care and its his fault he didn't take his meds daily? They also didn't have electricity at their house last time I was there. Is that the kid's fault? And if he doesn't end up being part of the middle class when he grows up, I'm sure you would be there to blame him for not studying harder or whatever. GFY.
You’re just as bad as “kids in cages” cnn
Fake news
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:24 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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I agree we are all diagnose away from being in the poor house. My point is that even if you do 1,2,3 you can be poor. Conservatives just say do these three things and then want to cut programs and benefits that help people who did 1,2,3 and still through bad luck or other circumstances still end up poor.
Most conservatives want to help the poor. You have never seen the abuse of such programs? While the lady driving a Lexus and buying steaks on ebt is just a tired thing to hear about, it came about for a reason. There are so many ways to scam the welfare state, why do liberals oppose any calls for reform?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:25 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
So breaking those 3 rules helps escape poverty more than achieving them (for people born into poverty)?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:25 pm to 4cubbies
I've read the study years ago. Go dig for the copy.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:25 pm to 4cubbies
Are you really arguing that the things listed in the OP wouldn't mitigate poverty?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:26 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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It's good that you made the correct decisions, but we all know that an illness especially a long prolonged illness or disability can push people from upper-middle class to poverty. You made the correct decisions and there are people who still make the correct decisions and end up poor.
And they are outliers. The author isn't taking about the kid born with MS. He's talking about your average person.
A prolonged illness punching someone down from middle class does not negate the fact of how they got there.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Are you really arguing that the things listed in the OP wouldn't mitigate poverty?
Her and Wiggum are both stuck on some sort of "what if" loop because they're emotional thinkers. Not really all that surprising.
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