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re: Three simple rules for the poor to follow in order to get into the middle class
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:44 pm to the808bass
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:44 pm to the808bass
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And if you can’t impact children’s education as a public school teacher, you should quit
Noted.
And if parents don't read to their kids, they are setting them up for a life of low achievement. But I guess that's the teacher's fault.
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:44 pm to Centinel
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No one is saying there aren't outliers. But for the overwhelming majority of poor in this country, they are there by their own decisions in life. That is what the article is pointing out.
It’s a damn shame a teacher can’t see how powerful, uplifting, and hopeful this message is for poor/traumatized children. It’s just another version of “you can be anything you want when you grow up”. But no, let’s tell kids thy are destined to be poor because their parents were or because they were molested or injured or sick..god forbid we tell them that with just a little work and self control they will not fail.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:48 pm to Centinel
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But for the overwhelming majority of poor in this country, they are there by their own decisions in life.
I think that’s simplifying it a bit. Some people are poor because they’re dumb. And I don’t mean that as pejoratively as it sounds. They may simply be unable to contribute to society in any meaningful way. Almost 16% of people have an IQ under 85.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:49 pm to 4cubbies
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And if parents don't read to their kids, they are setting them up for a life of low achievement. But I guess that's the teacher's fault.
No. The teacher is only responsible for what happens in their classroom. But they are responsible for what happens in their classroom.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:49 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Because the only variables they considered were HS grad or not, a child out not wedlock or not and keeping a job or not. That group includes people who grew up in sketchy situations. They didn't exclude those people. The results are that if you follow those three rules, regardless of all other factors, you have only a 2% chance of being impoverished.
How do you know? I'm relying on facts provided in the article, not assumptions.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:51 pm to Dawgfanman
Well said Dawg..my mom taught public school Kindergarden for 30 yrs in MS, and she was a vital spark for many of her kids success due simply to love, encouragement and discipline.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:51 pm to Dawgfanman
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Were you born into poverty? Did you experience any childhood traumas? I can say yes to both and I moved out of poverty..all while being raised by a single mom from age 10.
So wait, are we relying on anecdotes and emotions or statistics now? Sure, I was raised by a single mom who collected welfare while I was little, and I experienced abuse.. What does that have to do with this study or anything else?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:55 pm to Jake88
quote:according to what information?
That group includes people who grew up in sketchy situations.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:55 pm to 4cubbies
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So wait, are we relying on anecdotes and emotions or statistics now? Sure, I was raised by a single mom who collected welfare while I was little, and I experienced abuse.. What does that have to do with this study or anything else?
It’s got as much to do with the study as the child with aids you mentioned earlier...
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:55 pm to 4cubbies
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So wait, are we relying on anecdotes and emotions or statistics now? Sure, I was raised by a single mom who collected welfare while I was little, and I experienced abuse.. What does that have to do with this study or anything else?
You have two posters here in this thread who fall under the poor and troubled home category. Both achieved the three goals and are no longer in poverty.
And going by what you have said here, so have you.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If you work full time at the minimum wage, you are making enough money to be ABOVE the poverty line.
What if you live in a place with a higher cost of living like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco? I am not arguing against full tine work, but you do understand it costs more to live in some places versus others.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:56 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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What if you live in a place with a higher cost of living like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco? I am not arguing against full tine work, but you do understand it costs more to live in some places versus others.
Don't live in such high cost areas. Again, it's about making the correct choices in life.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:57 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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These are according to the Brookings Institute - a leftist organization.
1. Don’t have kids out of wedlock
2. Graduate High School
3. Get & keep a job
What if you work full-time and you get sick? Do you realize the leading cause of personal bankruptcies are medical related? I mean if you work full-time and can't afford health insurance or you have a high deductible policy offered by your job and you get a serious illness or if you are in an accident and you can't work how does 1,2, and 3 keep you out of going bankrupt?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:57 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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What if you live in a place with a higher cost of living like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco? I am not arguing against full tine work, but you do understand it costs more to live in some places versus others
They also have higher wages..the Arby’s near my office in the ATL (and that’s not near as expensive as where you mentioned) pays 11.50 an hour to start.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:59 pm to Corch Urban Myers
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Cubs! No BS, I'm both glad and amazed to see you are still with us.
thank you. I'm usually too busy living the dream :) Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:59 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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What if you work full-time and you get sick? Do you realize the leading cause of personal bankruptcies are medical related? I mean if you work full-time and can't afford health insurance or you have a high deductible policy offered by your job and you get a serious illness or if you are in an accident and you can't work how does 1,2, and 3 keep you out of going bankrupt?
What if a tornado destroyed your house? What if a car hit you on the way home?
What if?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:59 pm to Centinel
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Don't live in such high cost areas. Again, it's about making the correct choices in life.
Oh really? Let's say your parents are older and they live in New York and they need help? You really think it's that easy to just move. I thought conservatives valued family and community. Just move? Great why doesn't everybody just move because conservatives tell you to.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:59 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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What if you work full-time and you get sick? Do you realize the leading cause of personal bankruptcies are medical related? I mean if you work full-time and can't afford health insurance or you have a high deductible policy offered by your job and you get a serious illness or if you are in an accident and you can't work how does 1,2, and 3 keep you out of going bankrupt?
Probably covered by the 25% that didn’t reach middle class..this is not a negative message of blame being relayed here, it’s a message of hope..
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:01 pm to Centinel
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What if a tornado destroyed your house? What if a car hit you on the way home?
What if?
People do get sick. It's not a what if. Everyone gets sick at some point in their life. It's not like an option to not get sick.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:01 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Let's say your parents are older and they live in New York and they need help?
Live with them? Takes care of that high cost of living problem now doesn't it?
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Great why doesn't everybody just move because conservatives tell you to.
I didn't tell anyone to move. I said life is about choices.
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