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re: Thoughts on vaccines?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:54 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:54 am to burger bearcat
quote:Good question. They have become politicized. Even covid mask are politicized.
How are people supposed to get non biased information about vaccines?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:54 am to dnm3305
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why is autism so much higher now?
Is it or are we getting better at understanding and diagnosing it? Has it become over diagnosed like ADHD?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:55 am to onmymedicalgrind
Bookmarked and let’s revisit
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:59 am to ThuperThumpin
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Is it or are we getting better at understanding and diagnosing it
If we’re better at diagnosing autism then rates amongst older people who didn’t know they were autistic should be drastically climbing.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:06 am to burger bearcat
Vaccines represent one of the greatest
medical advances in history. In the 19th and early 20th Century there were deadly or debilitating illnesses that have been eliminated or substantially controlled through vaccinations.
Then came the German scientist who produced a paper on vaccines and autism that was ultimately debunked and rejected as fraudulent.
Then there was the hysteria(mostly online) that arose when the Covid vaccine was produced. The MrNA technology has been around for years and is safe. Sadly there are some provocateurs who have promoted distortions and outright falsehoods about the vaccine. People should trust their physicians rather than listen to the nonsense from gadflies…
medical advances in history. In the 19th and early 20th Century there were deadly or debilitating illnesses that have been eliminated or substantially controlled through vaccinations.
Then came the German scientist who produced a paper on vaccines and autism that was ultimately debunked and rejected as fraudulent.
Then there was the hysteria(mostly online) that arose when the Covid vaccine was produced. The MrNA technology has been around for years and is safe. Sadly there are some provocateurs who have promoted distortions and outright falsehoods about the vaccine. People should trust their physicians rather than listen to the nonsense from gadflies…
Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:14 am to VOR
A lot of parents, particularly gullible, ignorant moms, will one day realize that they were duped into harming their own children so that evil people could get really rich.
When that happens, they will be really pissed off.
This is the problem with lies and loss of trust. Once the lies happen, and the trust is gone…it’s gone.
This is what Med Profs and Pharma have done.
Same goes for Govt regarding election integrity and the rule of law.
Zero trust…because of all the lies.
When that happens, they will be really pissed off.
This is the problem with lies and loss of trust. Once the lies happen, and the trust is gone…it’s gone.
This is what Med Profs and Pharma have done.
Same goes for Govt regarding election integrity and the rule of law.
Zero trust…because of all the lies.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:40 am to burger bearcat
I think it's pretty obvious that vaccines provide some benefit, but how much of that benefit exists in a vacuum is hard to say.
By that I mean not much effort is done to study the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle. Like good hygiene, eating well, exercise, sunlight, proper rest.
The medical/scientific community tends to attribute all the benefits of modern life to vaccines/medicine and none of the detrimental side effects of vaccines whilst ignoring the positives of modern life.
To me, it's a matter of following the money. Clearly there's a profit incentive to reassure people that vaccines are necessary; while downplaying the downsides. I would suggest using your good judgement. Everything has a cause and effect. If you take a vaccine, it's not without risks. There's always a risk. It's up to you to decide if the risk outweighs the benefits.
By that I mean not much effort is done to study the benefits of living a healthy lifestyle. Like good hygiene, eating well, exercise, sunlight, proper rest.
The medical/scientific community tends to attribute all the benefits of modern life to vaccines/medicine and none of the detrimental side effects of vaccines whilst ignoring the positives of modern life.
To me, it's a matter of following the money. Clearly there's a profit incentive to reassure people that vaccines are necessary; while downplaying the downsides. I would suggest using your good judgement. Everything has a cause and effect. If you take a vaccine, it's not without risks. There's always a risk. It's up to you to decide if the risk outweighs the benefits.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 10:47 am
Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:48 am to riverdiver
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then rates amongst older people who didn’t know they were autistic should be drastically climbing.
They are..... Research indicates a substantial rise in diagnoses, particularly among young adults, with increases of over 450% in adults aged 26–34 between 2011 and 2022.
Now the further up in age you are less likely to find folks engaging in looking for a diagnosis. Most folks that are undiagnosed autistic, by the time they reach their 20's have adapted well enough that they wouldnt really feel the need to seek out an diagnosis.
Are you saying we havent gotten better at diagnosis? And so the increase in diagnosis is only from the increase in use vaccines?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:48 am to burger bearcat
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Are our immune systems not allowed serving a purpose any longer?
Went on a mission to try and understand the immune system in 2021 when I couldn't understand why public health officials recommended everyone, even those who had recovered from infection, get a vaccine. This made no sense whatsoever.
It is a complicated system that is hard to follow but here are some concepts that may be helpful to research:
Immune imprinting - You are imprinted by your first exposure to a pathogen. In the case of the single antigen mRNA vaccines how has this reduced the flexibility to adjust to variants? Why were/are Covid vaccines recommended for 6 month old babies? How could it possibly benefit a baby to be imprinted with a single antigen that is likely no longer even circulating? This seems insane.
Non-Specific Effects of vaccines - Vaccines can affect overall health, not just the target pathogen. Here is a Ted talk with reseacher Christine Stabel Benn explaining this.
Innate immune training - How do vaccines affect this training. And more broadly how do vaccines affect the innate system as compared to how natural infection affects the innate immune system? The innate immune system is vitally important for many things including cancer prevention. Do we have a clear understanding on cumulative and long term effects that vaccination may have on the innate system?
It is interesting is that modern medicine seems to view antibody production as FREE. But adaptive arm (antibody production) activation is conserved unless the innate immune system cannot handle alone. It appears this may be because antibody production is biologically resource-intensive. There were examples in Covid with individuals who overcame exposure to the virus without seroconverting (creating antibodies). This seems like an important fact to me. We need to consider that telling your body to make antibodies will have trade-offs in other areas.
It's not easy to get good information on vaccines because it is almost like a religion. In order for them to work there needs to be high uptake so negative information is suppressed to prevent vaccine hesitancy.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:52 am to jbdawgs03
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Also, RFK is going to push for a schedule change which will open a lot of the sheep’s eyes when the rates of autism and other chronic illnesses start to decline.
The link between vaccines and autism has been debunked ad nauseam. This all started with one study a couple of decades ago that showed a link. It was later found that that the author stated the data.
Only sheep do not understand the reasons for an increase in the diagnosis of autism.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 10:53 am
Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:57 am to LRB1967
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No mRNA vaccines for me.
Nobody has ever taken a mRNA vaccine because they don't exist. Never have.... never will.
I wish people would stop calling mRNA shots a vaccine. They want you to call it that for a reason. They don't want you to call it what it is.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:59 am to LSUTANGERINE
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The link between vaccines and autism has been debunked ad nauseam.
Using poor science. They were caught spiking these "studies" over and over in many different ways. RFK's book covers this and sticks to the science. Nobody seems to want to correct RFK's book.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:00 am to ThuperThumpin
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They are..... Research indicates a substantial rise in diagnoses, particularly among young adults, with increases of over 450% in adults aged 26–34 between 2011 and 2022. Now the further up in age you are less likely to find folks engaging in looking for a diagnosis. Most folks that are undiagnosed autistic, by the time they reach their 20's have adapted well enough that they wouldnt really feel the need to seek out an diagnosis.
So in your opinion people undiagnosed by the time they’ve reached their 20’s have adapted to where they wouldn’t need to seek a diagnosis, yet age 26-34 between 2011 and 2022 have skyrocketing diagnosis rates? Where’s the studies showing this? You obviously looked it up, show a link.
Yet the people doing the research just randomly decide not to include older adults for a comparison?
Do you understand how studies are slanted to get certain results?
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:08 am to jp4lsu
“I think the schedule of them is a problem”
That’s what I think also.
The childhood vaccine schedule is insane IMO.The current schedule calls for 28 injections from birth to 1 year of age,starting on day of birth a Hep B is recommended.Why?If the mother is negative for Hep B what’s the reason to give that 1’st day of birth.Is a newborn even capable of making antibodies to an injected antigen? Sen.Rand Paul(who is a physician) made that point about the Hep B vaccine at RFK Jr.’s confirmation hearing.
At 2 months-6 injections/8 antigens.
At 4 months -5 injections/7 antigens.
At 6 months- 8 injections/10 antigens including Covid.
At 12 months-6 injections/8 antigens.
RFK,Jr. who is wrongly labeled anti-vax has made the point there hasn’t been any studies done on the safety of these multiple injections of multiple antigens given at one time.
His book Vax-Unvax is an eye opener,another good book isTurtles All The Way Down.
I had always assumed that vaccines were extensively tested for safety,that are not.
An eye opener for me is the amount of funding the American Academy of Pediatrics recieves from pharma.Their largest donors are Pfizer,Merck,Moderna and Sanofi.These 4 companies make virtually every vaccine on the childhood vaccine schedule.
AAP is also on board with puberty blockers to transition kids confused as to their gender.That gives me pause.
As far as the flu vaccine I was a big proponent for many years,took them religiously every year.I haven’t taken one last 2 years.
Cleveland Clinic released the stats for their employees (52,000) 2024 flu season.
Those that took the vaccine had a higher incidence of flu than those that didn’t take it.I don’t know if that was an anomaly or if that’s the case
most years.I do know some years the shots are more effective than other years.
Cleveland Clinic had previously released the stats for their employees and tha Covid “vax.The more shots they took the higher the incidence of Covid infections.Of course they tried to spin it,saying the numbers didn’t prove the Covid vax caused infections and they cont’d to recommend the Covid “vax”.
I surmise they didn’t want to get crossways with CMS.
That’s what I think also.
The childhood vaccine schedule is insane IMO.The current schedule calls for 28 injections from birth to 1 year of age,starting on day of birth a Hep B is recommended.Why?If the mother is negative for Hep B what’s the reason to give that 1’st day of birth.Is a newborn even capable of making antibodies to an injected antigen? Sen.Rand Paul(who is a physician) made that point about the Hep B vaccine at RFK Jr.’s confirmation hearing.
At 2 months-6 injections/8 antigens.
At 4 months -5 injections/7 antigens.
At 6 months- 8 injections/10 antigens including Covid.
At 12 months-6 injections/8 antigens.
RFK,Jr. who is wrongly labeled anti-vax has made the point there hasn’t been any studies done on the safety of these multiple injections of multiple antigens given at one time.
His book Vax-Unvax is an eye opener,another good book isTurtles All The Way Down.
I had always assumed that vaccines were extensively tested for safety,that are not.
An eye opener for me is the amount of funding the American Academy of Pediatrics recieves from pharma.Their largest donors are Pfizer,Merck,Moderna and Sanofi.These 4 companies make virtually every vaccine on the childhood vaccine schedule.
AAP is also on board with puberty blockers to transition kids confused as to their gender.That gives me pause.
As far as the flu vaccine I was a big proponent for many years,took them religiously every year.I haven’t taken one last 2 years.
Cleveland Clinic released the stats for their employees (52,000) 2024 flu season.
Those that took the vaccine had a higher incidence of flu than those that didn’t take it.I don’t know if that was an anomaly or if that’s the case
most years.I do know some years the shots are more effective than other years.
Cleveland Clinic had previously released the stats for their employees and tha Covid “vax.The more shots they took the higher the incidence of Covid infections.Of course they tried to spin it,saying the numbers didn’t prove the Covid vax caused infections and they cont’d to recommend the Covid “vax”.
I surmise they didn’t want to get crossways with CMS.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:09 am to dnm3305
quote:
why is autism so much higher now?
Narrow that spectrum down and you will see the numbers take a nosedive.
When just being a weird kid came to needing a diagnosis those numbers shot to the moon. The number of people who believe they are autistic these days is laughable. It is almost like any parent with a kid that isnt exactly like everyone else begs for a diagnosis. That spectrum is out of control. I'm pretty sure I'm autistic by the ever-changing definition.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:09 am to ThuperThumpin
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why is autism so much higher now?
I have zero actual knowledge on all of that, but if I had to guess, the shite food we've been eating is more than likely the culprit. There are so many chemicals in processed foods that I would not be surprised if they can alter DNA.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:12 am to parrothead
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:20 am to LSUTANGERINE
Bookmarked so we can revisit :)
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:23 am to notsince98
Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:42 am to idsrdum
We need to consider that telling your body to make antibodies will have trade-offs in other areas”
I have wondered if the large number of vaccines is connected to autoimmune diseases which are becoming increasingly prevalent.U.S.is world leader of autoimmune diseases.
Some Drs.ascribe to the Hygiene Hypothesis,the reason childhood allergies are increasingly common is the sanitary conditions children are raised in compared to children in olden days with exposure to farm animals,etc.
The immune system doesn’t get to “exercise “ so it goes “haywire” so to speak.
Could the same thing occur with multiple vaccinations and the resulting suppression of the innate immune system?
Excellent post,by the way.
I have wondered if the large number of vaccines is connected to autoimmune diseases which are becoming increasingly prevalent.U.S.is world leader of autoimmune diseases.
Some Drs.ascribe to the Hygiene Hypothesis,the reason childhood allergies are increasingly common is the sanitary conditions children are raised in compared to children in olden days with exposure to farm animals,etc.
The immune system doesn’t get to “exercise “ so it goes “haywire” so to speak.
Could the same thing occur with multiple vaccinations and the resulting suppression of the innate immune system?
Excellent post,by the way.
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