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re: Thou Shalt Not Kill...that includes...

Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:13 pm to
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16438 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:13 pm to
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No justifiable reason to kill innocent people.


Don't tell the leftist that. You might lose your own life if you disagree with them.
Posted by nematocyte
Member since Jan 2013
924 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:29 pm to
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Evil is the embrace of Godlessness. 


You're gonna have one hell of a time explaining why the most nonreligious countries in the world have the lowest rates of homicide, rape, mass shootings and other acts of violence, or "evil."
Posted by steadytiger
Member since Jan 2007
2756 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:37 pm to
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Muslims gathering to pray.

Evil is real and it comes in many forms.

It's not the guns, it's not Trump, it's not "whiteness".

Evil is the embrace of Godlessness.

Very tragic. No justifiable reason to kill innocent people.



I agree. Now to get the Muslim communities to beat their chests when Christians are slaughtered by 10s of thousands by Muslims for their beliefs.
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:43 pm to
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You're gonna have one hell of a time explaining why the most nonreligious countries in the world have the lowest rates of homicide, rape, mass shootings and other acts of violence, or "evil."


What homogeneous countries with geriatric populations that are protected by the American military are you talking about?
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34981 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:29 pm to
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Not trying to obfuscate, but the commandment reads literally “ Thou shalt not murder” rather than “kill.” Now murder is what took place in New Zealand and should be rightfully condemned by not only either testament but also by secularists. But there are justified killings; self defense, protect others, free the enslaved etc.


Not to further obfuscate, but to build (for argument's sake) on the point of "justified killings"...it's pretty obvious that killing for the sake of promoting Religion is an essential part of Islam. Muhammad Himself, wielded a sword and had blood on His hands, as an example of all-in dutiful Belief and service toward promoting the Faith.

America has employed killing collateral innocents many times in our history; firebombing Dresden and nuking Japan come to mind. And of course, Obama's lethal drone attacks on terror targets, irrespective of their Families being destroyed too.

What has happening in this instance - and pisses people off - is that a single individual (assumedly alone) has taken upon Himself to determine just WHAT particular Ideological/Religious criteria justifies said killing as a means to an end. That is pretty much what Muhammad did, or our former and all POTUS. The Guy laid it out pretty clearly, as I heard Rush read a portion of the very complex and well thought out strategic Manifesto today. Sounded a lot like the Unibomber.

Much of the divisionary tactics that I heard in that Manifesto/Ideological reactionary strategy, will indeed be effective. The Race War stuff reminds me of Manson; though I think Manson was far more on a purely evil power trip, while this Guy is a more complex Ideological/Cultural reflection (Manson always said that He was a creation/reflection of Society) of our *justified* Ideological/Religious struggles, strategies and tactics (killing at the fore).

This stuff is very interesting...at least until our close loved ones are the 'collateral damage'. Then the real point of Jesus' admonitions to turn our cheek and love, in order to escape this particular version (Parallel Universe?) of Reality...weighs heavy as the preferable option.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:31 pm to
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Suggest you do some reading and research into what has happened to missionaries who have tried to 'spread the Gospel to Muslims.'




Suggest you do some reading and research into what happened to Jesus when he tried to spread the gospel
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
Member since Oct 2006
4713 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 8:52 pm to
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Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72876 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:05 pm to
MURDER NOT KILL

we kill all the time when we hunt and fish.

self defense is fine. look it up in scripture

we are not to bend over and let our heads be chopped off. we had enough martyrs early on.

quote:

No justifiable reason to kill innocent people.



agreed!

well looks like you have lots of work to do pal. good luck!

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This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 9:07 pm
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76467 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:14 pm to
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Suggest you do some reading and research into what happened to Jesus when he tried to spread the gospel

I bet the Jews were involved.

Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19596 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 9:46 pm to
The commandment is "Thou shall not kill"

That was from God.What the trump boys have made it is on them.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
5510 posts
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:32 pm to
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we don't live under the old testament. We are commanded to love others as we love ourselves.

It's true we've been freed from the dietary and ceremonial elements of the Old Covenant.

However, IMO, nothing Jesus or his disciples or the Apostles or the Church Fathers taught abolished the Ten Commandments as our plumb line for our obligations towards God and towards our fellow man.

Loving God with all of our being and loving others like we love ourselves encapsulates the sum of the Ten Commandments it does not abolish them as God's instructions to us. Jesus says, "you've heard this, or this is written, but I say..." and explains the Commandments as they apply to our hearts, attitudes, intentions, and actions.

It seems to me our failure in consistently meeting those standards continues to humble us and cause us to continually seek and rely on God's mercy and forgiveness and more deeply appreciate Christ's Incarnation, Crucifixion, Death, and Resurrection.
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
4495 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:14 am to
"And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?" - Blessed Mother Teresa (National Prayer Breakfast Speech - February 5, 1994)

Stop killing babies America. Stop the abortion and infanticide.

Repent and return to God
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
4477 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:13 am to
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What the trump boys have made it is on them


WTF does this mean?

People need to stop the tangents (impossible on a message board, I know). While i understand and agree with the separation of church and state, I cannot find one single reason that the Ten Commandments should not be taught in every school. Someone earlier in the thread stated the truth, that this type of insane action comes from Godlessness.

And for the record, i do not practice any individual faith.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34981 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:20 am to
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I cannot find one single reason that the Ten Commandments should not be taught in every school.


The brilliant Social Economist thinker Thomas Sowell, posited the idea of a "First Principle"; and that all secondary principles thereafter were determined by said First Principle.

There are but two possible Universal First Principles: the first being that a loving God exists as Spirit, and that all which we witness flows from that Source.

The second possibility is that Energy and Matter exist - having no Spiritual Consciousness - and that Humanity (complex life forms) flow/evolve from the interactions of those basic Sources.

For Secular Leftist Ideology (Egalitarian) to claim the high moral authority to institute Government to mitigate the inequality/injustice innate in the Natural Process (Lib's "life's lottery" of random chance), the Idea of God as being a just arbiter of an/the Individual's position in the Process...must be denied.

It is an undeniable truth that an individual's quality of life is directly dependent on their Genetic and Cultural beginning; though there will always be anomalies and extraordinary individuals who can by force of will and intellect, elevate QOL to extraordinary levels. And of course, the criteria of exactly what determines QOL, is subjective; as the essence of 'Feeling' reigns supreme. A particular individual dining on a pot of beans with real friends, may FEEL more thankful and blessed (happy) than DJT dining on caviar with High Rollers who would sell out friendship for a price.

For either the Secular Humanist Egalitarian Idea to claim that God is at the least, unjust and corrupt if it does exist...or the Atheist Idea of no God existing as the basis for claiming superior and absolute moral authority to mitigate the (supposed) injustice of Nature with a Collective Human Government...the Idea of God MUST be invalidated. Theologically, such an invalidation of God/God's moral authority would be the likely First Principle of Lucifer's original attack on God's true supremacy and absolute authority.

We're on our way to understanding this stuff. I suspect that given the possibilities of infinite Parallel Universes ("many mansions") and the possible Universal Axiom (Quantum Physics/Theory) that (Subjective) observation...directly AFFECTS the Empirical Reality...looks like we all may be the Spiritual and/or Worldly arbiter of our own chosen version of Reality. Perfect justice. Can't blame God...only our self. Fair enough.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41715 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:30 am to
If God is rejected, then so is the idea of an objective standard of good and evil, right and wrong. If that be the case, all moral judgments are subjective and have no weight other than what a constantly changing society wants to give to them. That means a society can support racism, sexism, rape, murder, theft, child molestation, incest, forced slavery, or any other moral “sin” imaginable and there would be no objective standard to condemn that society.

On the other hand, if the Biblical God exists, there is an objective standard to judge good and evil, right and wrong across all individuals or societies in all locations throughout all time. God’s moral law (the 10 Commandments) allow for praise or condemnation of moral/immoral actions. Without it, morality is nothing but a preference, like how you prefer your steak cooked, and no one has a basis to judge anyone else.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 9:56 am
Posted by steadytiger
Member since Jan 2007
2756 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:34 am to
quote:

Muslims gathering to pray.

Evil is real and it comes in many forms.

It's not the guns, it's not Trump, it's not "whiteness".

Evil is the embrace of Godlessness.

Very tragic. No justifiable reason to kill innocent people.



No one is saying innocents should be intentionally killed, though, human shields are another thing.
The question is, are Muslims completely innocent, if the Muslim ethos, that in war, there are no innocents (civilians.) OBL is on record stating just because infidels are not on the battle line, they still are participating in the supply train of military means, and providing a chain of supply of soldiers to their cause. He was correct in logic, but incorrect as far as public opinion in a free country is concerned. Yet we are at war with an enemy is not in tune with freedom, as we see it. They see justification in killing unrepentant infidels,us, as enemy combatants. We self obligate ourselves to fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34981 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:55 am to
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If God is rejected, then so is the idea of an objective standard of good and evil, right and wrong. If that be the case, all moral judgments are subjective and have no weight other than what a constantly changing society wants to give to them. That means a society can support racism, sexism, rape, murder, theft, child molestation, incest, forced slavery, or any other miral “sin” imaginable and there would be no objective standard to condemn that society. On the other hand, if the Biblical God exists, there is an objective standard to judge good and evil, right and wrong across all individuals or societies in all locations throughout all time. God’s moral law (the 10 Commandments) allow for praise or condemnation of moral/immoral actions. Without it, morality is nothing but a preference, like how you prefer your steak cooked, and no one has a basis to judge anyone else.


Spot on.

Of course, Secularist Egalitarians will argue that the "objective standard" is justice and equality; mitigating any "privilege" be it cultural or genetic.

"Behold, there is a way that seemeth right unto Man, but the end thereof is destruction".

Live and learn.

I knew we were going to lose to Florida. Maybe that'll get em' ready for the big dance.

Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12516 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 11:03 am to
Liberals need to stop forcing different cultures to live together. One culture will be the dominant one and everyone will suffer .
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