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re: This one simple trick would substantially improve health in the United States.

Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:27 pm to
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173651 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:27 pm to
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Why not just ban food stamps?

Even suggesting that would destroy someone's political career
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177314 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

This one simple trick would substantially improve health in the United States.

Change our demographics to be like Finland
Posted by Potchafa
Avoyelles
Member since Jul 2016
4450 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:55 pm to
[img]This one simple trick would substantially improve health in the United States.[/img]

So would social media.
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:00 pm to
I'd say only allow a very small set of items to even be eligible.

Milk, eggs, rice, bread, peanut butter, vegetables, fruit, certain cereals, ground beef, fish, etc. No steaks, no racks of ribs, no sodas, no exotic seafood, no snack foods or shiat with little meaningful caloric value.

So frustrating to see a cart full of food for a bar-b-que being paid for with gubment money. Bitch, get a job.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299445 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:10 pm to
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Change our demographics to be like Finland


Finnish and Swedish women love foreign men because too many men in these two countries are pussies. In the end, they'll be "conquered."
Posted by blueagateblues
Member since Sep 2022
252 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:18 pm to
Many poor neighborhoods are "food deserts" where there are no quality, full-service grocery stores that sell healthy foods.
Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
14105 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:18 pm to
Soy Derivatives
Hidden in foods and drinks


OLIVE OIL from other countries (see my olive oil blog post)

Eggs (if you are sensitive to soybean oil, you will likely react to non grass-fed chicken eggs)

chicken (most on the market are soy-fed. Choose organic and call company if you're sensitive to soybean oil)

beef (Same rule applies. If you are sensitive to soybean oil or natural flavors you will likely react to soy-fed beef.)

FISH (choose wild-caught ONLY. Farm-raised fish are almost always fed soy)

gum Arabic

tocopherol acetate (vitamin E)

bulking agent

carob

citric acid

emulsifier

guar gum (usually contains about 10% soy protein and is also a close cousin of soybeans)

hydrolyzed vegetable protein (HVP)

lecithin/soy lecithin

miso

magnesium stearate (used in many medicines..must call company)

USDA Organic Milk (cows are usually fed soy, grains, peas, etc.--go for grass-fed if you're sensitive to soybean oil you will likely be sensitive to milk that's fed with soy)

MSG (Monosodium Glutamate)

natural flavors

xanthan gum (some is grown on soy)

protein

protein extender

soy flour

soy nuts

soy panthenol

soy protein

soy protein isolate or concentrate

soy sauce

soybean

soybean oil

stabilizer

starch

stearic acid (used as binder in vitamins and in many lotions, creams, cosmetics)

textured vegetable protein (TVP)

thickener

vegetable broth

vegetable gum

vegetable starch

tofu

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Hidden soy derivatives in lotions, creams, bath products, household products, lawn and auto etc....

Vitamin E (may likely be derived from soy. Call manufacturer to be sure)

PEG-10 soya sterol

glycerin (usually made from soybean oil. call manufacturer to find out)

glycerine

Soy sterol

Soy protein

Soy protein concentrate

Proteins

Soybean protein

Soy acid

Soy acid;

Acids, soy;

Fatty acids, soya

PEG-16 soy sterol

PEG-75 soy glycerides

Stearic Acid

Soybean sterol

Soy glyceride, hydrogenated

Soybean oil, maleated

PEG-5 soy sterol

Alkyd resin solution

Soya oil, phthalic anhydride, pentaerythritol polymer;

Soybean oil, polymer with pentaerythritol and phthalic anhydride;

1,2-Benzenedicarboxylic anhydride, pentaerythritol, soybean oil

polymer;

Pentaerythritol, phthalic anhydride, soybean oil polymer

Soy protein, hydrolyzed

Hydrolyzed soy protein;

Soy protein, hydrolyzed;

Protein hydrolyzates, soya

Quaternary ammonium salts

Quaternary ammonium compounds, ethyldimethylsoya alkyl, Et

Soyethyldimonium ethosulfate;

Dimethylethylsoyaammonium ethosulfate

Vegetable Oil

Lecithin

Lecithins

Lecithine

Soybean lecithin

Soybean oil blend

Soybean oil

Extract of soy

Oils, soybean;

Soy germ extract;

Soya oil;

Soybean Oil [USAN]

Alkyd resin

Linseed oil, polymer with pentaerythritol, phthalic anhydride,

oil, styrene and vinyltoluene

Soybean meal

Soyaethyl morpholinium ethosulfate

Morpholinium compounds

N-ethyl-N-soya alkyl

ethyl sulfates

N-Soya-N-ethyl morpholinium ethosulfate

Soyatrimonium chloride


N-(Soya alkyl)-N,N,N-trimethyl ammonium chloride


Quaternary ammonium compounds


trimethylsoya


alkyl chlorides


Quaternium-9


Soya trimethyl ammonium chloride

Soy Derivatives List
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299445 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

Many poor neighborhoods are "food deserts" where there are no quality, full-service grocery stores that sell healthy foods.
I wonder why...

Guess they'll have to take a bus or subway, eh?
Posted by RoIITide
Member since Dec 2010
1001 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:20 pm to
quote:

Drink less alcohol


quote:

I’ll be damned


This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 3:23 pm
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

Many poor neighborhoods are "food deserts" where there are no quality, full-service grocery stores that sell healthy foods.


I'll bite. Annnnd whyyyyy are there no quality grocery stores there?

Serious question. Why does being poor in certain cultures have to equal:
robbing stores blind
leaving trash everywhere
graffiti
stealing from your neighbors
Having more babies
etc

But in other cultures, it just means figuring out how to get by with less?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299445 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

I'd say only allow a very small set of items to even be eligible.



Back in the day, this was pretty much the case. Funny, generations survived prior to food stamps. Gubment cheese and stuff like that helped sustain them.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

Thus, fructose and ethanol are analogous qualitatively in terms of hepatic metabolism. In small doses, neither will overwhelm hepatic mitochondrial capacity. However, as Paracelsus stated, “The dose determines the poison.” In a substrate overload/hypercaloric paradigm, excess energy substrate conversion to acetyl-CoA without any insulin regulation and with limited diversion to nontoxic intermediaries such as glycogen will occur. Both fructose and ethanol uniquely drive DNL, generating intrahepatic lipid, inflammation, and insulin resistance. Through the phenomena of enhanced DNL, JNK-1 activation, and hepatic insulin resistance, the hepatic metabolic profile of fructose is analogous to that of ethanol. Furthermore, fructose and ethanol are also analogous quantitatively. Table 1 demonstrates the hepatic burden of a can of beer vs. a can of soda. Both contain 150 kcal per 12-oz (355-mL) can (59). Both contain a concomitant glucose load combined with either the ethanol load (beer) or the fructose load (soda). The first-pass effect of ethanol in the stomach and intestine removes 10% of the ethanol. In the case of beer (3.6% ethanol and 6.6% maltose, a glucose disaccharide), ~92 kcal reach the liver, whereas for soda, 90 kcal reach the liver. Indeed, the quantitative metabolic demand on the liver from beer and soda are analogous as well (59).


Note this is just referring to metabolism in the liver.



LINK

Sorry for the late reply. Been busy.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63411 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

I grew up in poverty before food stamps. It was very easy to stay thin.



"You saw no fat people during the Depression." My dad always tells me this when he sees a fat panhandler who claims to be hungry.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

Not giving up olive oil or peanut oil. Sorry.


Me either.

First olive oil is a very healthy oil. Second peanut oil is probably the healthiest seed oil because it’s my understanding hydrocarbon solvents are not needed to extract the peanut oil like other seed oils. Just pressure and heat.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
15213 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 4:17 pm to
That still does not show 90% conversion to fat.
Posted by Sneauxghost
Member since Sep 2020
1351 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 4:23 pm to
I don’t think we should ban sweets, just the synthetic products widely used to make them now. You can make sweets without HFCS, etc… cake existed prior to these poisons.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299445 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

robbing stores blind


This is the correct answer. We know it would be profitable (food stamps) but the theft makes it impossible.
Posted by CAPEX
Member since Dec 2022
918 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 5:04 pm to
When you talk about banning things, how exactly is that conservative?

We've truly gone full circle when you're advocating for more government regulation, not less regulation.

People should make their own choices on everything.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23304 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 5:48 pm to
quote:

Not giving up olive oil or peanut oil. Sorry.

Olive oil isn’t a vegetable oil and is one of the healthiest options out there.

Peanut oil isn’t the best for you however, but beats crisco or some
other products.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 5:52 pm
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22949 posts
Posted on 1/14/23 at 5:55 pm to
quote:

Ban the purchase of all processed foods that contain fructose or high fructose corn syrup via food stamps.


I am for that since I am HFCS intolerant. That stuff screws up my gut and gives me the shits. Took me several years to figure it out. Soft Drinks and other presweetened beverages are the major vector in our diet for fructose.
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