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Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:46 pm to omegaman66
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He didn't say that is how it works
He wanted the repeal of that welfare program to be treated in a way that no others are (refunding tax monies used to pay for the program)
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:46 pm to NytroBud
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Why didn’t you propose stopping all aid to foreign countries from the US?
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Why SSI not SNAP and Welfare?
I'm noticing a pattern that's reinforcing my point
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He wanted the repeal of that welfare program to be treated in a way that no others are (refunding tax monies used to pay for the program)
Except all other funds are out of what is considered the general fund.
Social Security withholding is earmarked for Social Security. That’s why there is a separate withholding and you actually earn credits for the time and amount you are withheld. That true for SNAP? You know.. since it’s the same thing.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:50 pm to CleverUserName
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Social Security withholding is earmarked for Social Security. That’s why there is a separate withholding and you actually earn credits for the time and amount you are withheld. That true for SNAP?
No, but that doesn't individualize the funds like how you spoke of them.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We can test her theory by floating the policy of eliminating Social Security and observing the reacts
Such a cuck
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No, but that doesn't individualize the funds like how you spoke of them.
I’m not seeing where I’m wrong though.
You can see every cent I’ve paid into SS. Can’t individualize that for snap. For foreign aid. For childcare reimbursement. For “””earned””” income credit.
And of course the huge difference again. I never signed up for SS withholding. Never had a choice. And then the payout is tied to your pay in.
That how it works for Snap? Childcare subsidies? “””earned””” income credit?
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm noticing a pattern that's reinforcing my point
What everyone has noticed is that you are a troll, as the one you chose is not like the others. You chose SSI because you knew it would to draw the response you wanted. No one posting here was given the option to decline having SSI funds with held their pay.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He wanted the repeal of that welfare program to be treated in a way that no others are (refunding tax monies used to pay for the program)
And?
Are you saying he can't want that?
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:11 pm to omegaman66
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Are you saying he can't want that?
What he is actually saying is that the concept of Social Security, both tax in and payout to, is practically the same as generational welfare leeches.
Just to try to elicit a reaction. And the reaction is that his premise is moronic.
Not quit the grandstanding he was looking for.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:25 pm to CleverUserName
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I’m not seeing where I’m wrong though.
You tried to create an individualized relationship to the taxes you paid
And nothing prevents using SS funds from going to the general fund. Would only take an act of Congress.
FYI, if we are ever serious about balancing the budget we will need those SS taxes to help do it. Discretionary spending isn't going to be enough.
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You can see every cent I’ve paid into SS.
You can account for every other federal tax you've paid just the same.
You cannot, however, track those cents to specific cents held/spent by fedgov.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:27 pm to omegaman66
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Are you saying he can't want that?
He can want it. Doesn't make it logical or rhetorically sound/honest within this discussion. Nobody said he can't want it though.
I wanted SS to end 20 years ago. No refunds. We'd be in a much better position today.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We can test her theory by floating the policy of eliminating Social Security and observing the reacts.
I'd be 100% behind this if we didn't stop with SS. Defund it all. Pull the plug. Everything.
Why go about it half-assed?
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We can test her theory by floating the policy of eliminating Social Security and observing the reacts.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:i just turned 65, registered for medicare - still working so no SS yet
We can test her theory by floating the policy of eliminating Social Security and observing the reacts.
i would gladly give up both forever in exchange for a lump sum payment of every penny i and my employers paid in over my 50 years of working - even without indexing for inflation
i would do a better job taking care of myself than the gummint ever could
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:01 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
She is clueless. Only about one third of the population was in favor of the American Revolution that gave us freedom.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 3:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You tried to create an individualized relationship to the taxes you paid
“The tax you pay for welfare isn’t individualized!!”
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And nothing prevents using SS funds from going to the general fund Would only take an act of Congress.
“The taxes you pay for SS is individually accounted for in the federal government!”
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You can account for every other federal tax you've paid just the same.
Please show me where I can account for every penny I’ve paid toward the implementation of SNAP. Cause We can with SS. Because the funds for SS is earmarked for it. Individual from the general fund if you will.
And again..SS is disbursed by money paid in and years paid in. You cannot Show another example of another “welfare” program that does the same. Where the more you pay in… the more you get. The others are absolutely opposite. Every other one is opposite.
But feel free to keep trying. All this because you wanted to start a pissing
March and it went in a direction you didn’t want it to.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 3:29 pm to Bass Tiger
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You just validated my post.
I don’t think so. Your post ascribed the cause to Republicans being in on the gig. My posts ascribes it to the ratchet effect of giveaways being too powerful a weapon in the hands of the left.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 3:35 pm to dickkellog
I found out how to stop paying federal taxes and boys let me tell ye. Nothing like keeping 1500 every 2 weeks in my pocket. Ukraine and Isreal can eat the peanuts out of my turds
I still gotta give 11.5 % to Rota but I actually see where my money goes.
I still gotta give 11.5 % to Rota but I actually see where my money goes.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 3:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Your response kind of shows the implicit assumption involved in the virtue signaling in op. By an objective analysis. Social security is a welfare program.
I’ve used that term to describe it, but it’s actually a hybrid. The recipients of social security mostly paid into the system. But most get more out of it than they put in, even considering the time value of money. Also, the first social security beneficiaries hadn’t paid into the system at all. That was pure welfare. But since then it has been a mixed bag, mostly a savings plan but partially welfare.
I agree that there is a lot of cognitive dissonance. An example: Years ago I was discussing the W Bush policies with my neighbors (supposedly conservatives). They agreed that there were too many giveaways. I mentioned Bush’s Prescription Drug subsidization and the woman looked at her husband and said, “I think that’s a good one. Your mom gets a lot of benefit from that one.”
So let me ask you this? Do you think we have too many redistributive federal programs? I suspect you do. If so why would you stir the shite with someone who is complaining about just that, by bringing up social security?
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