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re: This isn’t a great look for the pentagon. They appear to claim Mormons aren’t Christians
Posted on 6/12/26 at 9:45 am to Ailsa
Posted on 6/12/26 at 9:45 am to Ailsa
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He never did any of that and his name was always Jesus as the angel told Mary to name him.
You can’t be serious. Plagues of Egypt? Killing all the firstborn of Egypt and then their entire army? Killing the tens of thousands of (mostly innocent) Israelites because the high priest made a golden bull? Killing thousands more because they complained they didn’t like the food (manna from heaven)?
And his name was Jesus before he was born according to only the gospels of Matthew and Luke. In Paul’s writings, which predate the gospel myths, Jesus only earned his name after his death and resurrection.
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:15 am to Squirrelmeister
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All he’s capable of is ad hominems and red herrings.
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Squirrelmeister
Posted on 6/11/26 at 10:27 pm to Narax
you’re a pile of shite.
Adorable.
I'm guessing calling you a Jehovah's Witness is an ad hominem, cause you know they are awful people. I mean they constantly attack Foo.
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He’s a true ostrich sticking his head in the sand.
Yup, I'm so unenlightened by the deep wisdom of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
How dare I expose your BS for what it is.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 10:27 am to Narax
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I for a while thought you were a Mormon, but eventually you gave me enough data that you could have only been a Jehovah's witness.
agreed, I was in the same boat too.
I'm not as familiar with the JW theology, I just know they are batshit crazy
Them and Christian Scientists
Posted on 6/12/26 at 11:43 am to Squirrelmeister
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predate the gospel myths
That pretty much sums up your thinking.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 11:45 am to Narax
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All he’s capable of is ad hominems and red herrings.quote:Adorable
Squirrelmeister Posted on 6/11/26 at 10:27 pm to Narax you’re a pile of shite.
Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person") is a logical fallacy in which a speaker attacks the character, motive, or personal traits of their opponent instead of engaging with the substance of the opponent's actual argument.
I engaged your argument with a very detailed explanation. Calling you a pile of shite, or stating the fact that you don’t understand what an ad hominem fallacy is, is not an ad hominem fallacy.
On the other hand, your constant Jehovah Witness nonsense calling me a liar without engaging the substance of my arguments, assertions, and evidence… well… is ad hominem fallacy.
And by you asserting ad hominem fallacy towards me while you yourself are guilty of it while I am not, is the fallacy of psychological projection and hypocrisy.
Good luck, you pile of shite.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 11:56 am to Squirrelmeister
They were first called "Christians" in the city of Antioch, as recorded in Acts 11:26 of the New Testament.
Glad I could help.
I don’t hate anyone but Mormons are clearly not “Christians”. Can we please move along.
Glad I could help.
I don’t hate anyone but Mormons are clearly not “Christians”. Can we please move along.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 11:59 am to Ailsa
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That pretty much sums up your thinking.
No argument from me on your point. Yes the gospels are myths.
Back to the substance of what I’m trying to show you that you don’t understand.
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5Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied himself, by taking the form of a slave, being made in the likeness of men. 8And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
This is Philippians chapter 2. It’s a great chapter. In it we learn about Paul’s theology:
1. Jesus existed before he became a man.
2. He was not God (the father), and was not equal with God, and did not want to attain equal status to God.
3. He died on a cross.
4. Then God exalted Jesus.
5. Then God gave him his name “Jesus”.
6. Every person will bow to the name of Jesus.
7. Jesus is the Lord, the main deity of most of the Old Testament.
Paul’s epistles pre-dated the gospels. This is generally accepted and undisputed amongst secular and religious scholars, and is only questioned by some on the very fringe. It is a fact that Paul’s view on when and how Jesus earned his name “Jesus” conflicts (contradictions) the Matthew and Luke gospel myths.
I’m reckoning you will not accept this, not because the evidence doesn’t support it, but because your dogma is very strong and won’t allow you to comprehend what you are reading. If you do respond, it would be nice if you would at least attempt to provide a rationale or supporting detail as to why you disagree with me.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:02 pm to Squirrelmeister
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5Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied himself, by taking the form of a slave, being made in the likeness of men. 8And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Forgive me but if I missed it; where did this statement come from? Thks
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:07 pm to Swampcat
Mormons are very nice people I find; they come to my door a number of times and I always invite them in. I admire their dedication especially youth for that 2 year journey they go on. The Book of Mormon is a complete and utter shame though.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:10 pm to Swampcat
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They were first called "Christians" in the city of Antioch, as recorded in Acts 11:26 of the New Testament.
Acts is pure fiction, and is not historical nor reliable.
Just as one little example. Acts says Paul has his vision, spent a few days in Damascus, and went straight to Jerusalem to meet with all the apostles and they were all afraid of them and Barnabus had to reassure them Paul wasn’t a bad guy. Paul on the other hand wrote that he did NOT go to Jerusalem but rather went away to Arabia for a few years, then went back to Damascus, and only then did he go to Jerusalem just for a few days to meet only with Peter, and for a brief moment he saw James.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:11 pm to Swampcat
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Forgive me but if I missed it; where did this statement come from? Thks
Philippians chapter 2
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:12 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Acts is pure fiction, and is not historical nor reliable.
So is this from a Mormons perspective? Not trying to be rude? I’m am humbly asking.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:16 pm to Squirrelmeister
Thk u
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Senator Lee is angry, rightfully so
nb4 muh Trinity
But you weren't in before, "muh Bible". Apparently, just adding your own scriptures to claim the same significance as the Bible that insinuate things like: "Black people are cursed" - 2 Nephi; "rape victims are stripped of chastity and virtue" - Moroni; "Jesus and Satan are spiritual brothers connected in the Brother Doctrine within the Pearl of Great Price is all frowned upon by Christian denominations.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:24 pm to Swampcat
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So is this from a Mormons perspective? Not trying to be rude? I’m am humbly asking.
It’s from a historical scholarship perspective - from experts in ancient religions and historians specializing in early Christian origins.
I don’t know much about Mormons to be honest. 75% of what I know about them is from watching South Park. The rest from podcasts and videos of “exmos” or ex-Mormons as they call them. I have read up just a little on the history of Joseph smith and Brigham Young and their escapades.
If you’d like to watch a very good drama based on real historical events of the Mormons and Brigham Young warring against not only the Indians but also white non-Mormon settlers and the US government, to get a feel for what they were like before the bicycles and white shirts and family fun home evenings, I highly recommend “American Primeval” on Netflix.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:26 pm to Swampcat
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So is this from a Mormons perspective? Not trying to be rude? I’m am humbly asking.
He's a Jehovah's Witness who masquerades as an atheist who knows the "true history" of the world.
As I had mentioned early when I first heard his complete bullshite I thought he was Mormon,
But his lunacy can't be held against mormons.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:37 pm to Swampcat
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Thk u
No prob.
Philippians 2 and Pauline verses such as 1 Cor 8:
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5For although there may be called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many gods and many lords— 6yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
…don’t make it very easy to square the circle of there being only one god and Jesus is that God and the holy trinity.
Now if you didn’t know 1 Cor 8:5-6 was Paul writing that, you could just as easily believe it was Philo of Alexandria, a Jew who wrote before Jesus would have allegedly been born (according to the gospels of Matthew and Luke timelines).
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:44 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Squirrelmeister
question, when Paul was writing the epistles do you think he considered himself a Christian?
second. Was Paul the founder of Christianity?
Posted on 6/12/26 at 12:59 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person") is a logical fallacy in which a speaker attacks the character, motive, or personal traits of their opponent instead of engaging with the substance of the opponent's actual argument.
Yes, my original argument was that your history of information is very much Jehovah's Witness, I provided quotes, I provided sources at JW websites that were what you were saying.
You then went off on a number of other insanity points that are frankly just you making up connections that don't exist.
You refuse to acknowledge how you have years of posts that are continuing to point to JW websites.
Instead you engage in slop and try to change the topic.
You then get mad when I won't change the topic.
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And by you asserting ad hominem fallacy towards me while you yourself are guilty of it while I am not, is the fallacy of psychological projection and hypocrisy.
No, me saying you are obviously autistic is describing your current behavior.
My argument is based on your many JW posts, your statements about JW being "more accurate" than Christian translations.
You are caught dead to rights with that based on your own words.
And you are obviously autistic.
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you pile of shite
Good luck Door Knocker
Posted on 6/12/26 at 1:03 pm to Narax
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And you are obviously autistic.
Frankly, it seems like you are. Can you explain why you think he’s JW? Or point me to your post where you explained your reasoning?
I know he stated something about some of their beliefs being more accurate with respect to some literal readings of scripture than orthodox Christianity, but I under why he said that.
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