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re: This is why millennials are unhappy

Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:23 pm to
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
4217 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:23 pm to
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no but in the 60s you could finish high school and go get a job at the local Ford service department and buy a house while your wife stayed at home and raised kids. Something changed



Easy credit and having a lifestyle that exceeds financial means.

Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32363 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:23 pm to
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Millenial: hey, this is a problem, can you fix it?

Democrats: yes it is a problem, we hear you, we see you, here’s our solution (that makes the problem WAY worse)

Republicans: quit whining, that’s not a problem, pull yourself up by your boot straps, you Commie!


quote:

I like your post. It’s pretty spot on. Except, Republicans have it right. The ONLY thing thst is going to reverse the trend is reversion to more personal responsibility, and less dependence on government to make everything “affordable” to everyone.

I see no appetite for that among any significant population group.


i think it's pretty fair.

a rogan guest put it pretty well recently that:

Republicans usually have the brains to recognize what the problem is, but don't have the heart to fix it.

democrats have the heart to fix it, but don't have the brains to realize what the real problem is.

i've never been on the left, but i do genuinely get some of the gripes of occupy wall street, bernie, AOC, etc.

I just think their ideas to fix things will make everything worse than it is now.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:24 pm to
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You are right and that's why the Republican establishment is hated by REAL Conservatives.

The only differences between a Democrat politician and an establishment Republican is on abortion & guns.

They both love open borders & globalism.

I will NEVER vote for a Republican establishment candidate again.


bingo... ...

know how to identify one? look at where they get their campaign $ from...
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:27 pm to
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Curious. The numbers don't seem to bear that out. How specifically is the MC getting hammered? Serious question.


im middle class... im getting hammered... theres your numbers... The middle class is shrinking... the globalist (Rinos and Dems) want to destroy the middle class... theyre elitest... they want top tier and the bottom...
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:29 pm to
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i think it's pretty fair.

a rogan guest put it pretty well recently that:

Republicans usually have the brains to recognize what the problem is, but don't have the heart to fix it.

democrats have the heart to fix it, but don't have the brains to realize what the real problem is.

i've never been on the left, but i do genuinely get some of the gripes of occupy wall street, bernie, AOC, etc.

I just think their ideas to fix things will make everything worse than it is now.


not bad... but i think democrats are genuinely evil and they dont give a shite about anyone but themselves... Elitest Rino republicans are the same...
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
27088 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:30 pm to
The Democrats used to be full of classic liberals but both of them have none of the heart and soul. More like punting the football over and over again until someone gets into terrible field position. Republicans fumble the ball, the Dems scope and score for the win.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:31 pm to
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everything you have said is marxist class warfare


you're a Rino "useful idiot"
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:31 pm to
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How specifically is the MC getting hammered? Serious question.


I gave my employees a 5% raise around Christmas and that’s been nullified for one.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32363 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:34 pm to
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I gave my employees a 5% raise around Christmas and that’s been nullified for one.


I got a 10% raise in November and I haven’t even felt it.

The other day I was at the grocery store and they had 2x10lb briskets for 3.99 a pound (expired the next day ) and I almost bought them both because it’s been $6.99 an Lb for 6months.

Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:35 pm to
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Easy credit and having a lifestyle that exceeds financial means.


nah... alot more than that... money had way more buying power back then... we need to get back to those days where one person can work in the family and the wife can stay home to raise kids... that aint happening with the elites in charge...those billion dollar profits are going to hedgefund managers and CEOs instead of the workers... and dumbass republicans are sitting on 100 year old ways of "but unregulated free market works!" yeah...till your enemy takes control of the market... balancing a stick requires focusing on the middle...
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:36 pm to
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The Democrats used to be full of classic liberals but both of them have none of the heart and soul. More like punting the football over and over again until someone gets into terrible field position. Republicans fumble the ball, the Dems scope and score for the win.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138495 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:42 pm to
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I gave my employees a 5% raise around Christmas and that’s been nullified for one.
Right. I'm not sure how to even address that anecdote. It's only a single point reference. No baseline. No historical data. I guess it says nice things about you that you have middle class employees, if that's the message you were sending.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
60454 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:49 pm to
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Curious. The numbers don't seem to bear that out. How specifically is the MC getting hammered? Serious question.

the average new house sale in 2021 was over 450k. in 1980 it was about 76k (about 275k in 2022 dollars). household income is about the same in real dollars.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 2:50 pm
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
40967 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:51 pm to
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the ability to install politicians to do your bidding..


So, you don't have a number?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138495 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

How specifically is the MC getting hammered? Serious question.

I gave my employees a 5% raise
I posted some of these graphics earlier, but the data just does not indicate our middle class getting "hammered".

Historical HH income levels inflation adjusted per capita. Flat for a while after the dot com bubble, 9/11 until 2007. Again, these are IAD's so "flat" indicates salary increase on par with USD devaluation. Could one define flat in IADs as "hammered"?:


Here is a more recent breakout. IAD's with a substantial gain. Not hammered.



or intergenerational performance of US GDP per capita vs the EU:



or home size:



or HH expenses:


So again, when someone says the US middle class is getting hammered, I'm curious to know the reference.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 3:01 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:02 pm to
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the average new house sale in 2021 was over 450k. in 1980 it was about 76k (about 275k in 2022 dollars). household income is about the same in real dollars.


I bought a home for $78k in 1985, interest rate then on a 30 year note was about 15%, I assumed the seller’s 9.9% mortgage and felt like I stole the house. Using available data and a online mortgage calculator, It looks like the $450k home with a 5% mortgage is actually just as affordable in today’s dollars as the $76k home at 15% was in 1980, in terms of mortgage payment and household income.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138495 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

the average new house sale in 2021 was over 450k. in 1980 it was about 76k (about 275k in 2022 dollars). household income is about the same in real dollars.
Right.

The average new house in 1980 was ~1650sqft.
In 2021 it was ~2650sqft.
Adjusting for size, that 1650sqft home would go for $280K in 2021.

Now do the 16% notes in 1980 vs 3% notes in 2021.
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Plus, I'll promise you the accoutrements/appointments in the 2021 home would blow the 1980 home away.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:14 pm to
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They are unhappy because the birthing person that carried them for 9 months was on Prozac and a few other things.

That and the precipitously failing education system...

I feel like I am watching 'Idiocracy' talking to these responders
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61391 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:24 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 3:28 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138495 posts
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:27 pm to
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im middle class... im getting hammered... theres your numbers... The middle class is shrinking... the globalist (Rinos and Dems) want to destroy the middle class... theyre elitest... they want top tier and the bottom...
After reading some of these anecdotes, I might have to get hammered too.

Pew says self-reported middle-class runs from about $37K to $237K. That's pretty expansive. How would you define US middle class? Mid-3 quintiles?
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 3:28 pm
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