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Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:29 pm to kingbob
quote:Clearly Republicans are ineffectual. But there's only so much "change" to be accomplished. What we need is elimination. But if you try it... voters get mad because their 'gimmies' are getting taken away.
actual plans to change bad government policy rather than just support the status quo while nebulously touting “smaller government” ideals that never result in attempted legislation.
People hate to hear it, but we have too much government, precisely because voters demand it.
quote:Go for it. Try running for congress on eliminating student loan subsidies, cutting defense, social security, medicare, and medicaid. Lemmie know how it goes. I'll vote for you. And be nice to me. I may be your only vote.
It gives you something to campaign with and attack your opponents for not supporting.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:30 pm to Taxing Authority
I plan to
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:31 pm to NC_Tigah
I mean, I could make the same argument about your gas station story, but I’ll just say that no one is getting rich working for me
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:32 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
the average new house sale in 2021 was over 450k. in 1980 it was about 76k (about 275k in 2022 dollars). household income is about the same in real dollars.
I guarantee - you could build the same average new home from 1980 today and it would be as affordable for a young millennial family as it was for a young boomer family back in the day. What's unspoken re: home prices is how different the "average home" is today compared to back then. It's not just size, but size is a part of it (40-50% difference) - but just imagine a new home today with the cheapest electric appliances imaginable, laminate countertops, linoleum flooring, no built-ins, minimal cabinetry, no master bath, no tiling for tub/showers, no tankless water heating throughout, no surround sound, no smart systems, no security system, no window treatments, no landscaping, no storage in the tiny garage, etc., etc.
Also, how different would the home price discussion be if it was had any time during 2009-2013? We happen to be having this discussion on the tail end of one of the most impressive runups in home pricing ever. I wonder what it'll look like in 5 years. Boom/bust is a real thing.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:33 pm to TigerFan55555
quote:What lost republicans elections was pandering moderates. Something you suggest they do more of. If that was a winning strategy, Romney would have won.
what you STILL dont realize is what republicans fought for (20 years ago) is exactly what the dems have control over now and are using against us...
quote:Yeah. No argument from me. Fighting wars in the middle east while ignoring the ongoing culture war at home was a terrible strategy. But adopting democrat principles of wealth destruction... doesn't help.
Woke CEOs are everywhere and they're donating to BLM and other radical groups and its funneled to the democrat party... (BLM money went straight to Biden 300 million)
quote:How many times have you ran for Congress?
you have to have a way for the ordinary pissed off person to get into the federal government,
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:36 pm to TigerFan55555
quote:No offense, but this is silly.
The top has too much wealth and power and it can only be "evened out" by the government...
- You've argued that government is inevitably corrupted by money. Yet, you also argue that the government should be awarded the "rich"'s wealth.
- You've argued concentrated power is bad. But you also argue that the government should have more power, where it is fully controlled by no more than 535 people.
It makes no sense.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:38 pm to TigerFan55555
quote:Put a number on it. And also list those currently "too rich".
the ability to install politicians to do your bidding..
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:41 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Muh feels! Muh feels! Just like people making $250k are "middle class" because they don't feel rich.
So again, when someone says the US middle class is getting hammered, I'm curious to know the reference.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
What i’ve noticed, (strictly my own perception):
1) In the 70’s and 80’s, the homes our parents grew up in and the homes we were born in were much smaller than today’s “middle class” homes.
2) We ate at home a lot more. Meals were either home-cooked or home-prepared, even if if was sandwiches or Chef Boyardee or cereal. People now eat a lot more restaurant food, even takeout or drive-thru is more expensive.
3) People kept cars a lot longer.
But…
1) Insurance and healthcare were not nearly as big of an expenditure. These days a large chunk of money goes to pay for something you can’t see (insurance) and the insurance covers less than it used to, with bills rolling in for months after every visit to a doctor. Car insurance is also high and required. Idk how homeowners or flood compares to the past.
2) Companies offered real retirement plans and often things like stock options, which our parents got but we won’t.
3) Post high-school education, even trade school, is a lot more expensive and you can’t do much without it.
4) Cell phones and internet are expensive and you can’t really participate in modern society without them.
1) In the 70’s and 80’s, the homes our parents grew up in and the homes we were born in were much smaller than today’s “middle class” homes.
2) We ate at home a lot more. Meals were either home-cooked or home-prepared, even if if was sandwiches or Chef Boyardee or cereal. People now eat a lot more restaurant food, even takeout or drive-thru is more expensive.
3) People kept cars a lot longer.
But…
1) Insurance and healthcare were not nearly as big of an expenditure. These days a large chunk of money goes to pay for something you can’t see (insurance) and the insurance covers less than it used to, with bills rolling in for months after every visit to a doctor. Car insurance is also high and required. Idk how homeowners or flood compares to the past.
2) Companies offered real retirement plans and often things like stock options, which our parents got but we won’t.
3) Post high-school education, even trade school, is a lot more expensive and you can’t do much without it.
4) Cell phones and internet are expensive and you can’t really participate in modern society without them.
This post was edited on 4/6/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:42 pm to kingbob
quote:
I plan to
If you stay true to your word, I will do everything in power to help you. Seriously.Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:43 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
- You've argued that government is inevitably corrupted by money. Yet, you also argue that the government should be awarded the "rich"'s wealth.
I have argued in threads on this site that strictly for political reasons, we should tax the HF out the uber-wealthy. Not as punishment for being extraordinarily successful, but because the majority of the uber-wealthy have turned on us (the middle/upper-middle class) politically, and it would be good to see them have to live with the politics they publicly espouse. TA has debated me inch by inch, and it's the above argument he makes that is the one I can't get past. We don't need more money in government's hands. We need less. We need everything defunded. Everything.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:43 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Put a number on it. And also list those currently "too rich".
Will answer when I get done working my second job to stay in my home that I’m on the way to.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:44 pm to David_DJS
quote:The OP described that as a sh*t hole or something along that in this thread.
but just imagine a new home today with the cheapest electric appliances imaginable, laminate countertops, linoleum flooring, no built-ins, minimal cabinetry, no master bath, no tiling for tub/showers, no tankless water heating throughout, no surround sound, no smart systems, no security system, no window treatments, no landscaping, no storage in the tiny garage, etc., etc.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
How much was soy milk in 1970? Isnt that the real question? Or your cappuccino?
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:49 pm to TigerFan55555
quote:nominated for most inane post of the day, maybe week!
you're a Rino "useful idiot"
I will not be using the 'MENSA CANDIDATES" label today
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:49 pm to Taxing Authority
Sounds like my house.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
A lot of us had grandfathers that worked for barely above min wage in the 70s and yet still owed a house, etc.
They often had multiple jobs or did side work, not sit on their phones and watch tiktok all evening.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 3:52 pm to MusclesofBrussels
quote:well, that certainly is a response approximately fitting of your position along the bell curve.
quote:
boomer
gross
and say, didn't I see you in the movie 'idiocracy'?
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