re: This is really where the Ukraine ware started

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You should probably just stick to personal injury buddy.

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Obama Says Still No Ukraine Intervention As More Russians Cross Border

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In the face of the most damning evidence to date that Russian troops and equipment have invaded Ukraine, President Barack Obama on Thursday stuck to previous statements that there is no military solution to the ongoing crisis there.

“We are not taking military action to solve the Ukrainian problem,” Obama said from the White House Thursday. “What we're doing is [mobilizing] the international community to apply pressure on Russia. But I think it is very important to recognize that a military solution to this problem is not going to be forthcoming.”

Early Thursday, NATO officials said Russia had sent more than 1,000 troops into Ukraine to join separatists fighting Ukrainian armed forces. NATO also released satellite imagery showing the movement of Russian artillery, vehicles and troops in and around Ukraine’s eastern border with Russia.

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But Obama avoided using the word “invasion” on Thursday, preferring the less-confrontational categorization of Russian actions as a violation of Ukraine’s “sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

“I just spoke with Chancellor Merkel of Germany on the situation in Ukraine,” Obama said. “We agree, if there was ever any doubt, that Russia is responsible for the violence in Eastern Ukraine … As a result of the actions Russia has already taken and the major sanctions we've imposed with our European and international partners, Russia is already more isolated than at any time since the end of the Cold War.”

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Obama opposed military intervention in Ukraine in 2014, even after Russia invaded and seized Crimea.

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Yanukovych did something highly unpopular both with the population and Rada

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... and so they did what all good democracies do in similar situations. They conducted a coup d'état ... with a little help from their "friends."

An odd thing happened on the way to the forum though. The EU, which had its nose all up inside the 2010 Ukraine election, lest candidate Yanukovych do something wrong, or cheat. Fast forward 4 years and the EU was all up into the illegal overthrow of Yanukovych like a bull with a cow in heat.

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What I posted I can cite factually with multiple sources.

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You're not familiar with the replacement Constitution they used.

Try going back to around 1991 if you want to understand what started this war.

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They conducted a coup d'éta

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Creative use of language.

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Fast forward 4 years and the EU was all up into the illegal overthrow of Yanukovych like a bull with a cow in heat.

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Let's just assume your narrative (without citation) is true

The 2013 vote in support of EU intergration got 315 votes.

The vote to change the Constitution got 386 votes

The impact of your narrative seems to be minimal at best, and that's ignoring the response to how unpopular the unilateral move was in the calculation.

That's the problem with your narrative. You're basically asking us to ignore all the data prior to November 2013 with respect to how popular the policy was. Even now, after we've had this exchange multiple times over the past 18 months or so, you've injected a new variable: USAID. I'm curious why it was only injected now and not last year, but I digress.

Same people that stirred up Antifa/BLM mobs in your cities a few years later.

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The vote to change the Constitution

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The coup d'état was a coup d'état because there was no Constitutional vote for removal. Even with the Constitutional switch-a-roo, the Rada did not comply with Constitutional requirements .... in either version.

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What percentage of fault would you assign to each party?

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Hard to say. The only one I care about is the USA, and we had no business interfering with their situation in 2014, or today.

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The only one I care about is the USA, and we had no business interfering with their situation in 2014, or today.

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The USA has been interfering in EVERY nation since Woodrow Wilson minimally.

Sometimes good, sometimes I’ll, and occasionally even in our best interest. LOL

Having good relations with your neighboring country is a lot more crucial than with a bunch of idiotic Western European countries that had no issue using you for their own protection and your minerals.

Were people upset? Sure. Was it the numbers you claim? No. Many had connections to Russia and others wanted to feel secure on their borders with their neighbor instead of capitulating to Germany, France, UK etc.

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A buffer? You're confusing NATO with the EU.

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So the bulk of NATO members are not key members of the EU?