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re: This is really where the Ukraine ware started
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:35 am to Gifman
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:35 am to Gifman
quote:It isn't a binary issue.
The population of Ukraine and Rada (over 90% support) supported EU integration in 2013. Yanukovych chose to reject EU integration and sign an incredibly unpopular trade deal with Russia in December of 2013. In response, the population responded with the Maidan revolution and the Rada voted to change the Constitution to oust Yanukovych by vote, in February of 2014.quote:
All completely organic while every neocon warmonger was there to cheer it on in 2014.
Did things happen exactly as SFP outlines? Yes.
Did the US support the anti-Yanukovych activities? Of course.
Yanukovych was a Russian asset acting directly contrary to the will of a supermajority of the Ukrainian population, and the US actively supported his ouster. This is not complex stuff.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 11:41 am
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Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:36 am to AGGIES
Your salary is dependent upon war.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:37 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Did the US support the anti-Yanukovych activities? Of course.
Agreed, I don’t think anyone who is denying that, just in the same way no one should deny that Russia does the exact same thing.
Heck, they actually poisoned the pro west Ukrainian candidate in 2004.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 11:38 am
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:38 am to stout
The snipers who open fired were with Right Sector.
Odessa was another major triggers for the pro Russian uprising
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Odessa was another major triggers for the pro Russian uprising
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
He FA'd by allying with Russia and FO organically from both the population (Maidan revolution)
There was nothing organic about the Maiden Revolution. That was 100% our doing.
Ukraine was leaning toward a food/grain agreement that favored Russia over the West. Black Jesus wasn’t happy.
We also used the MR as a practice run for what they did back here at home leading up to 2020. Same playbook.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 11:42 am
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:40 am to aero1126
quote:
Agreed, I don’t think anyone who is denying that,
I'm not even denying that
But that doesn't mean the response was not organic.
The talking points about "what started the war" blaming the West/Ukraine rely on promoting the narrative that somehow this response was not organic.
You can see the REEs in here even thinking about the possibility it was organic
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 11:41 am
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:40 am to texag7
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SFP says they were just there by coincidence on vacation
All you have to do is believe the Democrat Media sources he will inevitably link as “truth”.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:40 am to stout
Great post. Was not aware of that video. I posted via text here that that is what happened and was crucified for it (as were many others). The tide has been turning and I think that video should push people even further towards the truth.
Like I have always said, until people see it for themselves they never truly believe.
Like I have always said, until people see it for themselves they never truly believe.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:41 am to Longhorn Actual
The real question is how many billions of our dollars went to support the opposition/revolution.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
But that doesn't mean the response was not organic.
If we spent $10B supporting it, is it still organic? What’s the cutoff for “organic?”
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:44 am to Longhorn Actual
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There was nothing organic about the Maiden Revolution. That was 100% our doing.
Absolutely.
There can be no honest conversations without acknowledging this truth. There is nothing organic about it.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:44 am to the808bass
quote:
If we spent $10B supporting it, is it still organic?
That depends on what we spent the money on, what it was used for, and when the distributions were made.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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But that doesn't mean the response was not organic.
I also 100% agree. The reality is color revolutions aren’t real. For example you can’t just convince and get people mad enough to vote someone out of office just by saying grocery prices are high, people only do that when they are already feeling those effects.
Unfortunately people here actually think the cia can waive a magic wand and get the majority of the country to protest and overthrow their president. Laughable.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 11:46 am
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:46 am to aero1126
quote:
The reality is color revolutions aren’t real.
You’re hard-r tarded.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:47 am to aero1126
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Unfortunately people here actually think the cia can waive a magic wand and get the majority of the country to protest and overthrow their president. Laughable.
That's why I post the data from earlier in 2013.
Literally 90%+ of the Rada voted earlier in 2013 for EU integration. Why is the default assumption that maintaining that same view, at similar rates of support, into 2014 is somehow inorganic? What did the West do, make them maintain their policy positions?
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:47 am to aero1126
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Unfortunately people here actually think the cia can waive a magic wand and get the majority of the country to protest and overthrow their president. Laughable.
Far more believable than the Organic threory
Leftists have been crying about CIA and State Dept shenanigans for decades, until...now. All of a sudden they have magically reformed.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:49 am to Gifman
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There’s a certain poster who believes Ukraine post 2013 is completely organic and the US intel agencies weren’t involved at all.
Sooo….
We had tens of thousands of CIA agents protesting?
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:50 am to Gaspergou202
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We had tens of thousands of CIA agents protesting?
*hundreds of thousands
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
"was not organic". sure you mis spoke to say orgasmic
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:51 am to Gaspergou202
That’s a willfully naive position.
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