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re: This is all you need to know about the SCOTUS hearing on birthright citizenship.

Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:59 am to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63339 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:59 am to
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Awful argument. There are limitations to application of all of the amendments. Shall we go through them? You want to start with the 2nd?
Correct. Since ARs didn’t exist during the founding, it’s simply not possible the authors of the 2A intended to include them. Just like the 1A shouldn’t include electronic communications like radio, TV, and social media.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16113 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:30 pm to
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It only benefits rich people

Do you not see how fast Central American women drop anchor babies after they move here? They know they, and the baby daddy, are protected as primary care givers of a US Citizen, and the whole family is entitled to CHIP, etc.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
12703 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:41 pm to
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SCOTUS will pass the buck in a already beaten down to their bank accounts special interests, and blackmail----worthless body of congress critters.


Here how it will go. The court will rule that birth right citizenship should be eligible to only children of citizens or resident aliens, but that clarifying or codifying it cannot be done by executive order. It must be done by a law and Congress, or an amendment to the constitution.

And good luck with all of that especially if it requires an amendment.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 12:42 pm
Posted by Cito2point0
Member since Aug 2024
197 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:46 pm to
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You like the constitution and the plan words, do ya? “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.


You conveniently left out “well regulated”
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68823 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 12:48 pm to
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IF the 'common understanding' of "domicile' were to be expanded to include one's mental state, could a resident of Uganda who "believed himself to be a US resident" would be included as a citizen??? - or would we disregard his "belief" ?


The legal definition is pretty clear in tons of caselaw: "Residence in fact" and intent to reside indefinitely (courts can look at several factors)...
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49529 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 4:47 pm to
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It was only 10-15 years ago the vast majority of Democratic Socialists were staunchly against illegal immigration......my how quickly things have changed.

What changed was that their captive group at the time was beginning to figure out they were really just being used as fodder for democrat power grabs.

So much so that the democrats are now trying to import more hordes of indigents who will stay that way.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3693 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 5:26 pm to
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You conveniently left out “well regulated”

Why don’t you conveniently tell us what “well regulated” meant in the justification clause in 1789.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
8218 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 5:34 pm to
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What about all other persons who participated in the process?

What about them? We know exactly what the author meant, and so did everyone who voted for it, since he’s on record explaining it in detail. Just because some people refuse to accept that meaning doesn’t make it any less valid.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55738 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 5:54 pm to
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It was only 10-15 years ago the vast majority of Democratic Socialists were staunchly against illegal immigration......my how quickly things have changed.

What changed was that their captive group at the time was beginning to figure out they were really just being used as fodder for democrat power grabs.

So much so that the democrats are now trying to import more hordes of indigents who will stay that way.


We know what is going on and we know they use the law to protect themselves and their interests.

It's all about who controls the judiciary, who interprets the law. Are they righteous and just people? If the people who draft the laws, enforce the laws and interpret the laws are not righteous and just people the nation will eventually fall

There is a movie that perfectly sums up what is going to eventually break the trip wire on the collapse of the US.




Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49529 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 6:11 pm to
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Why don’t you conveniently tell us what “well regulated” meant in the justification clause in 1789.

I've always assumed it meant that the use of 'arms' should follow any laws that regulate time, manner, place, purpose, . .

you know - common sense stuff.

our forefathers were very much common sense people

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind what they would have thought of today's conundrums of "what is a woman?" or "Should people who should not be here in the first place be able to demand free stuff/services from the tax-paying public, vote in out elections, demonstrate in our streets to the inconvenience of American citizens, and declare that any of their children should be citizens of the country they despise."

Not sure there would be much debate on that topic.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 6:15 pm to
A textualist when it suits you…
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3693 posts
Posted on 4/1/26 at 9:57 pm to
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Why don’t you conveniently tell us what “well regulated” meant in the justification clause in 1789.
I've always assumed it meant that the use of 'arms' should follow any laws that regulate time, manner, place, purpose

“Well regulated”, in modern American English, would translate to “properly equipped/functioning”. It had nothing to do with following any laws restricting arms in any way, in fact this amendment limits the government from making any laws restricting arms (including firearms) in any way. A small infringement is still an infringement. The “well regulated” words in the second amendment are in what’s normally called the “justification clause” - think of it like this: Because the militia must be properly equipped to wage war, the government cannot infringe on the peoples’ right to keep and bear arms. If you’re confused why the justification (Prefactory) clause uses “militia” and the Operative (Right) clause uses “people”, just know that there was no confusion for the founding fathers. They were very specific that the militia was the people (men of fighting age). There is no contradiction.

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our forefathers were very much common sense people There is absolutely no doubt in my mind what they would have thought of today's conundrums of "what is a woman?" or "Should people who should not be here in the first place be able to demand free stuff/services from the tax-paying public, vote in out elections, demonstrate in our streets to the inconvenience of American citizens, and declare that any of their children should be citizens of the country they despise." Not sure there would be much debate on that topic.

They would roll in their grave if they knew what happened to their country not only now, but in the early to mid 1860s as well.
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