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re: This gun control meme came across my FaceBook news feed
Posted on 5/30/14 at 7:59 am to Vegas Bengal
Posted on 5/30/14 at 7:59 am to Vegas Bengal
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You can spin it until you're blue in the face but my interpretation was the interpretation of the SCOTUS and legal scholars for almost 200 years. That's what Burger is saying and that's what Stevens said in his dissent when the right wing changed almost 200 years of precedence on a 5-4 vote.
No it wasn't. Read Presser - the most important 2nd Amendment case prior to Heller. It specifically states that all men capable of bearing arms constitutes the militia.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:19 am to catholictigerfan
A militia is the people. It's not a standing army, it's not the national guard or the police. A militia is a group of citizens not employed by Govt that can take up arms to defend the country.
It is still necessary for security of a free state....there is a reason we were never since our independence invaded by a foreign country. They cannot win against our military and citizens combined.
The 2nd not only protects us from tyranny it protects us from foreign invasion. I for one enjoy the safety we have here in America knowing when I sleep at night that nobody will bomb my town and that I can repel a criminal from my home in the case of a break in. Without a gun id feel helpless...I really don't understand how some don't utilize the right to a gun. It is simply a tool in which to use to protect yourself, your family, and your country.
It is still necessary for security of a free state....there is a reason we were never since our independence invaded by a foreign country. They cannot win against our military and citizens combined.
The 2nd not only protects us from tyranny it protects us from foreign invasion. I for one enjoy the safety we have here in America knowing when I sleep at night that nobody will bomb my town and that I can repel a criminal from my home in the case of a break in. Without a gun id feel helpless...I really don't understand how some don't utilize the right to a gun. It is simply a tool in which to use to protect yourself, your family, and your country.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:16 am to deltaland
Why would the founding fathers include as the SECOND Amendment to the Bill of Rights for CITIZENS if they meant for it to be a right of the GOVERNMENT to keep and bear arms, it's asinine on it's face to say so.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:21 am to Sentrius
The Colonists were able to defeat the British by having ordinary citizens bring their own rifles and form militias to support the regular army. Do you Liberal friends honestly believe that after the role private firearms played in winning freedom from Britain, that the Founders would ban private firearm ownership in the Second Amendment?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:54 am to Sentrius
Reply with a link to the Penn and teller bullshite episode about 2nd amendment. There is no argument after watching that...
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:00 am to Vegas Bengal
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They did not want insurrection.
And this is exactly why citizens should keep and bear arms. So that people like Obama don't just get whatever they want.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:07 am to Sentrius
I think it is dumb to assume the founding father could figure out how to say "The right to bear arms in an organized militia shall not be infringed"
That would mean what they want that to say. But it doesn't say that.
That would mean what they want that to say. But it doesn't say that.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:10 pm to Antonio Moss
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No it wasn't. Read Presser - the most important 2nd Amendment case prior to Heller. It specifically states that all men capable of bearing arms constitutes the militia.
Exactly.
The problem with the militia discussion is that the anti-firearm crowd gloms onto it as if the militia creation is the foundation, or the primary focus of the Amendment. It's not, it's the result. The primary point of the Amendment is for citizens to have the freedom to bear arms because without that freedom there could be no militia.
As stated earlier in the thread though, I think focusing on creating militias is not what anti-firearm folks should be doing unless they want to see more Bundy/BLM standoffs.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:22 pm to Sentrius
Thank God that the British were not as tyrannical on gun rights as the left. We would have never been able to start a revolution.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:45 pm to GhostofJackson
Also, the amendment says security of a "free" state, not just security of a "state".
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:54 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Yep. The militia did not refer to a body of men under the jurisdiction of the state.
No it wasn't. Read Presser - the most important 2nd Amendment case prior to Heller. It specifically states that all men capable of bearing arms constitutes the militia.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
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At the time of the Bill of Rights... what did "arms" mean? My guess is musket rifles and cannon fire.
I'd be willing to say on the other hand the people at that time probably had access to the same arms the military would use if they could afford it.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:37 pm to crash1211
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I'd be willing to say on the other hand the people at that time probably had access to the same arms the military would use if they could afford it.
And it's a stupid argument by the way, using the same logic the government could ban free speech on the telephone, radio, television, internet, loudspeaker etc. etc. All things that didn't exist at the time of the bill of rights.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:44 pm to crash1211
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At the time of the Bill of Rights... what did "arms" mean? My guess is musket rifles and cannon fire.
Then why not just say musket and cannon, arms is transitive, there fore it always works.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 3:35 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Thoughts? That this dude has not read a single, and I mean a single piece of the correspondence between the framers regarding the second amendment. Anyone who has clearly understands what the intent is.
Thank you. It's not like the 2nd A is the only writing we have on the matter. Willful ignorance at best, ideological fascism at worst (and most likely).
Posted on 5/30/14 at 3:57 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
So you people against guns think that only over government should be able to have them ? Really? You trust those frickers? They kill far more people a yr than than the publics guns.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 6:54 pm to Sentrius
Ya'll are ruining my lurker status. Can we at least get the text of the amendment correct?
From Wikipedia: As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, then-Secretary of State:[30]
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
From Wikipedia: As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, then-Secretary of State:[30]
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 6:58 pm to Sentrius
He takes the right to own a weapon and stretches it out to encompass anyone and everyone owning any weapon of any type they wish to counter the simple right of owning anything.
A weak argument for someone so smart.
A weak argument for someone so smart.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 7:00 pm to CrazyCajunDoc
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Ya'll are ruining my lurker status
just over one post per year.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 7:06 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Your liberal friends need to research what "militia" meant in the 18th century.
You mean like this...?
I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes.
I have never been notified of my enrollmet into the militia of the bounds within which I reside. Does that mean I'm not a member of the Militia?
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