re: "They Hate Our Farmers & Want Them Driven Out of Business

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Nobody forced the farmers at gunpoint to take out loans that they could not pay. No one forced them to sell to scum like ADM and Cargill. Trump sure as shite was not helping them.

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That's a shallow understanding of the issue.
The same model of multinational corporations buying and consolidating that has been used in many markets is the culprit.
Take defense contractors for example:

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As the Pentagon recently noted, the number of defense prime contractors has plummeted from 51 to five since the 1990s. And nearly 20,000 small businesses have been pushed out of the defense market in the last decade alone, according to the Government Accountability Office

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The same is happening in agriculture.

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As of 2020, 2 million farmers and 21 million food and farm workers stand on one side of the U.S. food system while 325 million eaters stand on the other. In between them are a handful of multinational companies — Tyson, JBS, Bayer, to name some of the biggest — who manage nearly every step of how food gets from producer to consumer.

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Big business serves itself and it's profits and not American citizens. It's the same concept that has made America dependent on China for manufacturing.

Another example:
The largest pork producer in the U.S. is Smithfield Foods. Though it was founded and is based in the U.S., Smithfield was purchased in 2013 by a Chinese company called the WH Group, which still owns it today.

No they are bitching about things they want me the non farmer to attempt to control for them. They bitch about fuel prices, but the real thing is that the prices for the main commodities like corn, soybeans and wheat have taken significant hits due to an abundance of supply. So should I advocate price supports in addition to the ones that already quietly exist.

So then they come in and bitch about fuel prices. So do they presume to expect a subsidy for their fuel because it has not decreased at the same rate. They erroneously blame Biden or whomever, when oil and distillates in terms of supply have been more than beyond adequate. If you want to bitch about the guys at NYMEX, OK, but they make all of their trades based on real market conditions....divorced largely from any governmental interference. Last I checked the inventories at Cushing suggest a something of a surplus.

Farmers are getting around 19/20% less right now than this time last year. Diesel is down in real money as it takes last year into consideration....not a lot, but 16 cents is 16 cents.

Like I asked where would you like me to subsidize and how much in order to satisfy the farmer? Should I compensate for the 30% cut in corn to the corn farmer....20% for soybeans....or maybe 30% just to be nice. You want the government to come in and interfere even more with markets because smaller farmers are taking it in the shorts?

"We don't need farmers. We have grocery stores." - Stacey Abrams

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TheWalrus

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Keep flopping. No one believes you.

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They want to control our food supplies.

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Correct and that's why I've shared a story, on multiple occasions, about a conference call I was on when I worked for the Canadians and how they were planning on what foods would be available and their distribution in the future. Control food and you absolutely control people. The CEO at the time, CNN story on his death, was also an attendee at Bilderberg which just makes it even more worrisome to me. These people were at the highest levels of business and real estate and ridiculously well connected.

Had I not been on the call I would have far greater skepticism about food supplies but I was there and that shite is scary.

Name the specific subsidies you are referring to. We’re still waiting

Farmers get direct commodity payments.....sometimes irregardless of need. Farmers get their crops insured to about 50% without having to pay for it. Essentially price supports. The federal government has bent over backwards trying to support farmers with access to credit, straight up payments and guarantees. Corn is subsidized more than anything else, but soybeans have their fair share as does cotton.

Do you deny they are getting subsidies?

If offered those farmers who are bitching about fuel a price support that raised the price 10 % they'd find something else to bitch about because they were still 20% down YoY....and still bitch about fuel prices that have effectively remained steady in the last 12 months because their profit on the crop end is probably marginal at best.

Specific names with the acronyms, etc, no I don't have handy. You must

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KiwiHead

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Will you and your ilk just stfu already. You dumb fricks have wrecked enough peoples lives. Go sit in the corner and keep your mouth closed.

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Farmers get their crops insured to about 50% without having to pay for it.

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This is not true. I pay crop insurance on a Per crop Per acre basis. Price depends on the crop. And it is not cheap. I can also have the option to pay it quaterly for whatever crop is earthed. But then its even more expensive. What in the hell are you talking about not having to pay 50% of it? You are completely full of shite.