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re: There is a full on insurgency in Mexico extremely close to our borders

Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:13 pm to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37533 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:13 pm to
It's her show down there. Let her clean it up .we in the US and our appetite for cocaine and other drugs are part of the problem. We help create these problems.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30038 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:14 pm to
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Literally the dumbest thing I’ve seen posted here. And I’ve seen a lot of dumb things posted here.



Good thing im not a woman and dont give a shite what you nor most anyone else on this website outside a few I respect think about me or what I say
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 3:15 pm
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11356 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:16 pm to
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I swear many of you guys are so far gone at this point into the “muh we can never use military force for any reason or it’s bad” camp you don’t seem to understand what the supposed main purpose of an army even is


Conservatives are so entranced with their ideology that they have become extremists.

Any spending is "big government."
Any military action is an "endless war."

I'm convinced many conservatives would be against us fighting even if we were attacked. They would say it was just a deep state ploy and that we should just allow people to kill us without repercussions because standing up for ourselves would be giving the deep state what they want.

Conservatives are so terrified of using America's power to improve the country. Just look how they acted with the trade deals. Preventing foreign countries from taking advantage of us is now "unconservative" to them. They don't care about making America better, only inflicting their ideology on us, much like the leftists.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30038 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:17 pm to
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Is it unreasonable to expect the government to provide any reassurance to citizens stranded in Mexico right now, in your opinion?



No and I think it would actually be good if Rubio or someone a bit less important like Karoline Levitte did come out and give some type of statement to provide reassurances for any of those people.

However there could be a valid reason they arent doing it or wont be
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30038 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:20 pm to
Conservatives by their nature, and by this I mean the general morality and philosophy that guides people we deem conservative, fear the use of power and dont want to wield it.

I used to be very much of this mindset. I have however had a philosophical shift. Machiavelli was correct fundamentally.

You can think of it in terms of the fundamental message behind the lord of the rings if you wish. That storys main point or one of them at least is that if good men yield the responsibility of wielding power for good and righteous things evil will fill the void and wield power for its own ends
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 3:22 pm
Posted by BOHICAMAN
Member since Feb 2026
1159 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:21 pm to
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The President getting updates doesn't provide updates to the stranded citizens. The person said they are locked in the airport with a vending machine.


Why don’t you tell us exactly what you want to happen. First you said we needed to do something like chartered flights and I explained to you why that isn’t possible right now and won’t be necessary assuming the situation doesn’t deteriorate any further. Another poster explained the military options and why they aren’t really realistic. Do you want someone from the government to make a statement just to appease to people’s emotions?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76458 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:24 pm to
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How else would you want total control of it?


By doing what we are doing now only faster.

Key Aspects of Current Border Improvements:

Drastically Lower Encounters: Border Patrol apprehensions have dropped by over 90% compared to peak levels in 2024, with some reports noting fewer than 300 daily apprehensions in early 2026.

"Zero Release" Policies: The administration has implemented policies resulting in months of zero releases of illegal immigrants into the US interior.
Increased Deportations & Consequences: There is a strong focus on fast-track removals and increased criminal charges for illegal entry, acting as a deterrent.

Infrastructure & Technology Surge: Construction of the border wall is continuing (approx. 2 miles per week), alongside the installation of enhanced, autonomous surveillance towers, radar, and sensors.
Increased Personnel: Additional Border Patrol agents and resources have been deployed to secure the border.

International Cooperation: Strengthened partnerships with Mexico have improved enforcement efforts, reducing the flow of migrants and drugs.

Alpha India
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30038 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:26 pm to
All of those are fine ideas and I would support them.

None of them would be as effective as putting a man with a rifle every 200 yards and telling the world anyone that enters into 300 yards of the border is getting shot.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61378 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:27 pm to
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Do you want someone from the government to make a statement just to appease to people’s emotions?


If you were stranded in Mexico right now, would you think "I am grateful that my government is providing me with nothing at all right now. I trust that the government will eventually acknowledge my existence and the impossible situation I am in. Until that day, I am satisfied to be locked in this airport with one vending machine for the foreseeable future." ?

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61378 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:29 pm to
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However there could be a valid reason they arent doing it or wont be


The government doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30038 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:29 pm to
Youre just being argumentative for its own sake at this point man.

Its not like this was some planned military operation and the government failed to give any citizens in the country proper notice to leave. It was and is a very fluid situation with 1000 variables in play that will be changing how the government reacts to all of this
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 3:30 pm
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109242 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:31 pm to
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i'm all out of fricking cookies and fricks.


Simple, bake some more fricking cookies and you can get more fricks.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61378 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:31 pm to
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Your just being argumentative for its own sake at this point man.



I'm not. We are approaching this from different angles. You trust the government. I do not. I believe citizens stranded in Puerto Vallarta deserve information. You do not. There are fundamental differences in the way we each view the situation.

Posted by BOHICAMAN
Member since Feb 2026
1159 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:32 pm to
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If you were stranded in Mexico right now, would you think "I am grateful that my government is providing me with nothing at all right now. I trust that the government will eventually acknowledge my existence and the impossible situation I am in. Until that day, I am satisfied to be locked in this airport with one vending machine for the foreseeable future." ?


I wouldn’t be thinking any of that nonsense because I’m not a hysterical woman.

Apparently Trump will be speaking in about 60 seconds. Maybe he’ll reassure you.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61378 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:33 pm to
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I wouldn’t be thinking any of that nonsense because I’m not a hysterical woman.



What would the calm, ratioanl man be doing if he was stranded in an airport in Mexico with one vending machine for the foreseeable future?
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30038 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:34 pm to
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You trust the government.


This is a total lie and one of the worst mis characterizations of me ever on this website. Having no choice but to trust them and me thinking theyre trustworthy isnt same thing. Use your brain man

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I believe citizens stranded in Puerto Vallarta deserve information. You do not. There are fundamental differences in the way we each view the situation.



Theres a post from me like 4 posts up saying I think the government should make a statement if they dont have real time operational reasons not to. Why are you blatently lying?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61378 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:37 pm to
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his is a total lie and one of the worst mis characterizations of me ever on this website. Having no choice but to trust them and me thinking theyre trustworthy isnt same thing. Use your brain man



Your responses in this thread depict you as very supportive and trusting of the government.

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Theres a post from me like 4 posts up saying I think the government should make a statement if they dont have real time operational reasons not to. Why are you blatently lying?


You then gave the government the benefit of the doubt by saying there could be a reason the government is not providing information to the citizens stranded there.

I'm not making personal attacks here. I appreciate the discourse.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15292 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:38 pm to
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I'm not. We are approaching this from different angles. You trust the government. I do not. I believe citizens stranded in Puerto Vallarta deserve information. You do not. There are fundamental differences in the way we each view the situation.


I have a question.

Prior to the military action taken by Mexico, did the US have warnings about traveling to Mexico due to Cartels, civil unrest?

If so, then those people were warned of potential travel and issues that could arise.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 3:40 pm
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30038 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:40 pm to
I dont trust the federal government at all. Yes I am a conservative and yes I think trumps government is better than any in my lifetime but only a fool would think our government is generally worthy of trust.

quote:

You then gave the government the benefit of the doubt by saying there could be a reason the government is not providing information to the citizens stranded there.


I didnt though. I expanded on what youre referencing in the post you are replying to, meaning they should do it unless they have a reason being to maintain OPSEC integrity for something
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37270 posts
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:40 pm to
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you were stranded in Mexico right now, would you think "I am grateful that my government is providing me with nothing at all right now. I trust that the government will eventually acknowledge my existence and the impossible situation I am in. Until that day, I am satisfied to be locked in this airport with one vending machine for the foreseeable future." ?

If I were stranded in a foreign airport as part of a situation that popped up basically out of nowhere, I’d have the sense to realize that the US embassy in CDMX, or the consulate in Guadalajara, are not going to come swooping in immediately and give me what I want.

People watch too many movies/TV where “making it to the embassy” is some sort of panacea for random tourists. With very rare exception like Covid or the situation in Afghanistan, etc, our diplomatic missions are not coming to rescue you from trouble. They don’t have the resources for that. The State Department website says so. Outside of encouraging Americans to hunker down wherever they were, what is it that you wanted consular officers to do?
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 3:41 pm
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