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re: There is a full on insurgency in Mexico extremely close to our borders
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:28 pm to ronricks
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:28 pm to ronricks
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It can all be done remotely now.
No, we are not going to remotely kill thousands of Mexican law enforcement officers, local/state/federal politicians, and military officials. The cartels are completely interwoven into Mexican society.
They aren't just hiding at bases in remote areas. Your view is incredibly unrealisitc. If we could just poof enemies of that nature, you don't think we may have tried it at some point?
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:31 pm to Indefatigable
The cartels are a revenue source for the deep state. Some of you just refuse to open your eyes. You do not live in the land of milk and honey that you think you do. This world is controlled by evil actors, and the cartels are one of the many tentacles in their empire of control.
Why do you think poppy production increased after we entered afghanistan? The deep state (think CIA and similar entities) cultivates black markets so they have access to large amounts of off the books cash.
Drugs
Human trafficking
Slave labor
Gun running
Its all Satan Inc. and many of the people that are supposedly "in charge" are just employees in that corporation. YOU are not an employee on this farm. YOU are just a sheep in a tax shearing operation. Its time to wake up and smell the satanic pedophilic cannabilistic murderous coffee. Enjoy your Monday!
Why do you think poppy production increased after we entered afghanistan? The deep state (think CIA and similar entities) cultivates black markets so they have access to large amounts of off the books cash.
Drugs
Human trafficking
Slave labor
Gun running
Its all Satan Inc. and many of the people that are supposedly "in charge" are just employees in that corporation. YOU are not an employee on this farm. YOU are just a sheep in a tax shearing operation. Its time to wake up and smell the satanic pedophilic cannabilistic murderous coffee. Enjoy your Monday!
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:31 pm to td01241
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You see I don’t consider Mexico as an entity, or a nation state, or a country, or whatever.
Then you're just creating a fantasy from which to project your internal narrations and not discussing reality.
quote:
Their economy, while you do have a point in the context you’re making, and does provide some important things for us is largely held together by remittances sent back from America and illegal cartel activity like drugs, prostitution, protection schemes, murder for hire, and on and on.
No. Their actual, real economy is massive. 13th in the world, ahead of:
Austalia
South Korea
Netherlands
Poland
Switzerland
Taiwan
Belgium
Ireland
Sweden
Argentina
Israel
If you include their drug economy, they jump Spain and slide in behind Brazil.
*ETA: El Salvador is 106th. Mexico's economy is 5100% higher than the GDP of El Salvador.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:34 pm to td01241
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I don’t know how you people don’t see the longer you just allow this to exist as the status quo the worse it becomes year on year.
We have been trying to deal with the cartel issue for 50-ish years.
We have tried everything. Nothing has worked.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is the problem I consistently run into with you when I have discussions with you.
I think you’re a very smart guy but you’re utterly incapable of seeing things how they actually are in real terms on the ground and insist that just because a carved out part of land on a map says Mexico on it then that’s that
I think you’re a very smart guy but you’re utterly incapable of seeing things how they actually are in real terms on the ground and insist that just because a carved out part of land on a map says Mexico on it then that’s that
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:37 pm to Indefatigable
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No, we are not going to remotely kill thousands of Mexican law enforcement officers, local/state/federal politicians, and military officials. The cartels are completely interwoven into Mexican society.
You seem to be having a hard time understanding this. While the Mexican Government is tied to the cartels those are not actual cartel members. Killing the politicians does nothing. You kill the actual Cartel leaders using the technology we have without risking a single soldier. You destroy their factories and safe houses.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. Their actual, real economy is massive.
The bulk of their 'economy' is drugs and 'remittances' sent from the United States via their citizens who are Illegal Immigrants here. You take either of those away from Mexico and they are screwed. Why do you think Mexico wants so many of their citizens here and not in Mexico?
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:42 pm to Monahans
quote:
The cartels are a revenue source for the deep state. Some of you just refuse to open your eyes. You do not live in the land of milk and honey that you think you do. This world is controlled by evil actors, and the cartels are one of the many tentacles in their empire of control.
Why do you think poppy production increased after we entered afghanistan? The deep state (think CIA and similar entities) cultivates black markets so they have access to large amounts of off the books cash.
Drugs
Human trafficking
Slave labor
Gun running
Its all Satan Inc. and many of the people that are supposedly "in charge" are just employees in that corporation. YOU are not an employee on this farm. YOU are just a sheep in a tax shearing operation. Its time to wake up and smell the satanic pedophilic cannabilistic murderous coffee. Enjoy your Monday!
This is spot on it ain't funny.
People forget that Iran contra was a real thing. Yes the cia will literally do anything illegal to keep the funds coming in.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:42 pm to td01241
Parts of Mexico are a functioning nation state, particularly the inner volcanic highlands where Mexico City is. However, large swaths of Mexico are ruled be jure by Mexico City, but de facto by cartels. In many ways, Mexico resembles many nations in Sub-Saharan Africa (where the bulk of the population of one ethnicity lives in the developed coastal port ruling over a vast geographically isolated inland that is part of that nation in name only where local militias hold sway) but in reverse.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
You’re using the El Salvador comparison in way that insinuates I made the claim it would be just as easy to do in Mexico we they (with our intelligence help) accomplished there.
I never said that, and if I came off as implying it I apologize, but I do see in that post I went on to say Mexico would have way more of our assets at their disposal than El Salvador did including our full intelligence apparatus (which I was once a member of in jsoc), all of jsoc including ranger recon, and as muxh navy and air power and ISR support as anyone could ever humanly dream of.
That doesn’t imply it would be an equal task to me. It implies it would be much more difficult and much much more bloody
I never said that, and if I came off as implying it I apologize, but I do see in that post I went on to say Mexico would have way more of our assets at their disposal than El Salvador did including our full intelligence apparatus (which I was once a member of in jsoc), all of jsoc including ranger recon, and as muxh navy and air power and ISR support as anyone could ever humanly dream of.
That doesn’t imply it would be an equal task to me. It implies it would be much more difficult and much much more bloody
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:47 pm to td01241
25 mex NATL guard killed.
Wow.
Wow.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:47 pm to ronricks
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You kill the actual Cartel leaders using the technology we have without risking a single soldier. You destroy their factories and safe houses.
It is not possible to get all of them. You paid no attention during the War on Terror.
Droning people only spawns more given the inevitable collateral damage and everything else that comes with that--even if we could locate every single member of each cartel, which is in and of itself hilariously unrealistic.
Believe whatever you want, but no, we cannot vanquish the cartels with drone strikes alone.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:48 pm to kingbob
quote:
Parts of Mexico are a functioning nation state, particularly the inner volcanic highlands where Mexico City is.
I mean if you want to be charitable. As I put it earlier in this thread 30% of Mexico roughly is considered to be under the official governments control.
As we are literally seeing with the events unfolding right now though, all of this is really just a mirage that is only true as long as cartels allow it to be.
The same simple truth is still as true today as it has been for 1000s of years, if you do t have the force capability to back up your domain of land or claims of sovereignty or whatever, then it isn’t really real
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:48 pm to td01241
El Salvador was easier because it is small and bypassable for cartels. Mexico is much more important to them.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:49 pm to td01241
quote:
There is a full on insurgency in Mexico extremely close to our borders
BUILD THE WALL FASTER!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:49 pm to idlewatcher
American gun flow to the cartels can we stop that first
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:50 pm to TBoy
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But we can’t just redefine historical things.
just remove and rename, right?
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:50 pm to td01241
Good luck tell us how it goes down there. And be safe.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:51 pm to dstone12
Being a member of the Mexican national guard sounds like one of the dumbest carrier choices ever.
Their conventional forces are inept, untrained, weak willed, and designed for failure.
As I said earlier in this thread Mexico has a pretty small group of VERY highly effective marines and special forces that are extremely deadly but they almost operate entirely off of American intelligence from HUMINT sources or the ISR we have flying over Mexico at all times. They’re also extremely specialized at a few things like assaulting a compound. They can’t save Mexico from this.
Their conventional forces are inept, untrained, weak willed, and designed for failure.
As I said earlier in this thread Mexico has a pretty small group of VERY highly effective marines and special forces that are extremely deadly but they almost operate entirely off of American intelligence from HUMINT sources or the ISR we have flying over Mexico at all times. They’re also extremely specialized at a few things like assaulting a compound. They can’t save Mexico from this.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:52 pm to goatmilker
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Good luck tell us how it goes down there. And be safe.
Comments like this stopped being witty in 2004. Especially when I have fought in a war, twice, and I highly doubt you have ever been within 1000 miles of even moderately dangerous war zones
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