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re: The "White Supremacy" question was a clever trap Trump side stepped.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
he did, he said sure but he added the violence he is seeing is coming from the left... make sure to listen to it. not just what outlets are saying to you.
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Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:43 am to Y.A. Tittle
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"white supremacy...errr, militias," with Biden throwing in "...errr, Proud Boys" while Trump was trying to answer?
It was nothing but a gotcha all around and Biden was actually remarkably ready to pounce.
Because that was obviously going to be asked, which is why I can't believe Trump didn't have a prepared response.
And including militias and groups like the Proud Boys isn't as big of a deal as people are trying to imply. If they support Trump, we think they'll vote Biden if he avoids this clear gotcha attempt? They're that stupid?
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:43 am to BugAC
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You must be slow. Trump has done this many times on camera. He did this after the charlottesville thing, many times. Maybe you don't remember. Maybe then, you could tell me that exactly what does white supremacists have anything to do with the riots in the liberals wastelands of America? You can't. Because they have no bearing on the matter. Wallace pivoted from ANTIFA riots, to charlottesville as a way to try and make Trump forget about Portlandistan. You know this. If not, then you are retarded.
Do you realize this was expected to be the most watched broadcast in television history? How many people do you think have actually seen the entire Charlottesville sound byte? If he’s answered it so many times before, why not once more for the largest television audience in history?
It was a softball question that he whiffed on for no good reason.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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if Trump's supporters understand this and accept it, then what did Trump have to lose by giving a simple, proper answer?
you think Trump would lose support for this?
Yeah, I agree
I do think it was a bad faith question and a trap.
I also think Trump was literally being shouted at by Biden and Wallace while trying to respond.
That said, no reason Trump can't find a good moment to unconditionally condemn white supremacy (again) in the next few weeks.
"Of course I condemn white supremacy. As for the Proud Boys and groups like that, I have no real idea of what they stand for. I know they're opposed to the radical leftist terror groups like Antifa, but are they white supremacist? I don't know. The fake news media likes to do that - to label any group opposed to radical leftists as white supremacists. But if they are, or if there are elements that are, then sure, I condemn those elements strongly."
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:44 am to BugAC
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Trump literally asked Wallace, "who do you want me to denounce? Name someone and i'll denounce them" and Biden piped in "proud boys" and Wallace echoed "Yeah, thanks Joe, the proud boys". The problem is, the Proud boys are not a white supremacist group. So again, surely you aren't so stupid as to think Wallace was being intellectually honest, were you?
You didn't explain the cost. What is the cost of Trump denouncing violence or racism by a group like the Proud Boys?
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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But nuance wasn't needed. Just get a soundbite denouncing them. What is the real cost?
The danger is allowing them to equally distribute blame for riots and recent violence onto the right. Clearly trump was trying to prevent that from happening. Not saying he handled it well but you are missing the bigger issue Trump was trying to address. This was somewhat duplicitous tactic which worked well.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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We are talking about last night. He didn't do this last night.
And? So you are slow?
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This is all, literally, irrelevant.
You want trump to denounce white supremacists. He has. And you know it. It is exactly the point. And white supremacist has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC of ANTIFA and riots.
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What is the cost of doing it again?
He should have never been asked the question because it is intellectually dishonest. White supremacy has NOTHING TO DO with the current liberal riots.
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And Trump could have clearly denounced it. Instead, he allowed that seed to grow and explode today.
He stated he has. Again, he was not asked which group to denounce. Joe stupidly said "the proud boys" which is headed up by a black-hispanic.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:45 am to Robin Masters
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The danger is allowing them to equally distribute blame for riots and recent violence onto the right.
They're going to do that anyway. His repsonse in a debate is irrelevant to this.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:46 am to 632627
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t was a softball question that he whiffed on for no good reason.
It wasn’t a softball question. It was a trap.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
He did though. He literally said “sure” then asked Chris Wallace to elaborate. Is that not simple enough for you?
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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And including militias and groups like the Proud Boys isn't as big of a deal as people are trying to imply. If they support Trump, we think they'll vote Biden if he avoids this clear gotcha attempt? They're that stupid?
I think it is and it isn't a big deal, completely depending on perspective. The problem is, he understands it can be forever used as a yoke around his neck if he gives in and just says "yes, whatever" to such a goofy random (meaningless?) list of "groups."
That's clearly what they were hoping to gain here. You can't ignore that.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:47 am to Robin Masters
Throwing down the gauntlet and saying I'm not going to condemn groups as white supremacist when they're not white supremacist is a valuable thing. The problem is that Trump cannot articulate that argument, so he's left with less appealing choices that lack nuance.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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What is the cost of Trump denouncing violence or racism by a group like the Proud Boys?
This is where being smart helps.
1) white supremacist has nothing to do with liberal riots
2) Proud boys are not racists, and have nothing to do with liberal riots.
You think you have something, but you don't. Just like the idots saying, "why don't he just release all of his taxes". It's a nonstarter and stupid.
It would be like being in a debate and talking about inner city violence, and the moderator asks you, "will you sit here tonight and denounce rape?" What kind of stupid question is that? Apparently one you like to hear.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:48 am to Y.A. Tittle
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That's clearly what they were hoping to gain here. You can't ignore that.
I agree it was a trap. He should have had a better response than to allow Biden to hand-pick the group.
He could have taken control of the "gotcha" and addressed white supremacists and militias separately himself, for example.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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They're going to do that anyway. His repsonse in a debate is irrelevant to this.
Then the media and narrative would be Trump denounces right wing violence which has caused recent riots and violence.
Don’t be a fool to think there was a “good” way to handle this question. It’s a “head or gut” type of question
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:49 am to Forever
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He did though. He literally said “sure” then asked Chris Wallace to elaborate. Is that not simple enough for you?
SlowFloPro wants Trump to publicly denounce all bad things that happened in history. Guess what slo, Trump didn't denounce the holocaust, i guess he must hate Jews, right?
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:He did. Twice!
if Trump's supporters understand this and accept it, then what did Trump have to lose by giving a simple, proper answer?
Wallace: Are you against White Supremacy?
Trump: Sure
Wallace: No, are you against White Supremacy in all its forms?
Trump: Sure I am.
Wallace: Well, could you say it?
Wallace's continuation of the question after Trump answered twice was bizarre.
Trump should have said, "Well Chris, I said it in writing. I just wrote an EO establishing the KKK as a terrorist group," why haven't you asked Biden why he supports Marxists in BLM and Antifa.
But woulda, coulda, shoulda . . . he missed the moment.
This post was edited on 9/30/20 at 9:52 am
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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He could have taken control of the "gotcha" and addressed white supremacists and militias separately himself, for example.
WHEN??? did you watch the debate? Every time Trump started to take control of a topic, Wallace would cut him off and say this is the end of the segment or "that's part of the next topic" and never address it.
You really need to look up the term useful idiot, and who it applies to. Don't fall for their trap.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because that was obviously going to be asked, which is why I can't believe Trump didn't have a prepared response.
Maybe he did, but IIRC, he had just accused the previous administration and the democratic candidate of attempting a coup (ie treason) on national television. Don't care how big your nuts are, putting that out there is going to take a few minutes from which to recover.
Posted on 9/30/20 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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I agree it was a trap. He should have had a better response than to allow Biden to hand-pick the group.
He could have taken control of the "gotcha" and addressed white supremacists and militias separately himself, for example.
I mean, they were blurting more names of "groups" out as he was speaking, though.
Like I said, I think Biden actually played his best hand there in doing that, but by that point - when Trump was actually TRYING to denounce "white supremacists" - they had succeeded in their fix.
I don't think it's a big deal either way.
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