re: The US has stopped arms sales to Ukraine

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We were selling them arms.....paid for with OUR money???

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No... defense contractors were selling them arms paid for with our money.

Everybody wins! (except us)

Money laundering

SlowFig, Peewee, statist4ever and LSUMuhRussians in total shambles

The past few weeks have really made me see how ridiculously terrible of a president Biden was. I mean absolutely pathetic.

Not saying this is moral, but I always thought the reason we were giving Ukraine billions was to have Russia bleed in those Ukrainian plains for a decade and dulling their capacity to make further assaults on Europe while the US shifts focus to the Pacific.

If we could have spent a few hundred billions, not lost a single American life, permanently retard Russian military capacity or appetite for it besides, and all it costs was somebody else's country turning to rubble...I get the dispassionate geopolitical chess game decision of it.

The GOP's position is that Putin can be a good faith negotiator and we can reach the same end goal of no Russian imperialism creating a problem causing us to get into a continental European conflict.

I think there is a lot of history that Russia is going to Russia and our retreat from Europe is going to mean a major continental war within a generation. And we're fooling ourselves if we think we aren't going to get roped into it when it happens. Financial/economic interests will dictate it.

So again, is spending a few hundred billion to have someone else wreck their country so you don't have to get in a gunfight all that bad of an idea?

I dunno, I'm not super settled into being a lizard person in the state department but I can sorta see the blob's logic I guess.

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So again, is spending a few hundred billion to have someone else wreck their country so you don't have to get in a gunfight all that bad of an idea?

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We didn't wreck their Country. We made Russia stronger. They became more independent and survived 3 years of NATO throwing 300 billion plus of military equipment and money. Not to mention the Sanctions. They survived all that and their Military is bigger now than before the War. Not to mention that this forced them to become closer to China which is a huge mistake for us and Europe. This was the biggest foreign policy blunder in US History. Thank Biden and Victoria Nuland along with the rest of the Deepstate. They failed miserably

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We didn't wreck their Country. We made Russia stronger. They became more independent and survived 3 years of NATO throwing 300 billion plus of military equipment and money. Not to mention the Sanctions. They survived all that and their Military is bigger now than before the War. Not to mention that this forced them to become closer to China which is a huge mistake for us and Europe. This was the biggest foreign policy blunder in US History. Thank Biden and Victoria Nuland along with the rest of the Deepstate. They failed miserably

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The deepening of the Russo-Sino alliance is really the big concern. In the later decades of the USSR, Nixon starting normalization with the CCP was a big win in assuring that the USSR could not mend their differences with the CCP and perhaps survive their 80s/early 90s crisis with another shoulder to lean on besides opening themselves up to Western capital.

An end to all deliveries? The Ukrainians will have to seek an immediate peace.

Ukraine Bros in the OT are about to send 22LR bullets and some cantines