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Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:06 pm to tiggerthetooth
The correct death rate will never be known.
This post was edited on 3/28/20 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:10 pm to TigerAxeOK
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How many people died of congestive heart failure, cancer, drunk driving accidents and suicide in the last 24 hours?
Are those numbers growing greater every day with no clear end in sight?
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:13 pm to Upperdecker
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Are those numbers growing greater every day with no clear end in sight?
Are they seasonal?
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:15 pm to colgatiger89
quote:you may want to touch up on your math
You do know they are coming at a slower rate each day for the last several days don't you?
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:24 pm to tiggerthetooth
You're right. But I think the death rates are obviously determined somewhat by who is catching it predominantly. Flu attacks all ages including the very young and young people with strong immunity. No one size firs all but the "19" is killing a lot of old, obese people with heart, cancer and diabetes issues.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:25 pm to jimdog
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No one size firs all but the "19" is killing a lot of old, obese people with heart, cancer and diabetes issues.
True.
The quicker we get data, the more quickly life can get back to normal.
If you watch the press briefings they keep emphasizing data data data. Once we have sufficient data the plans will form.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:27 pm to themunch
130k deaths in the world today... holy shite.
All the "shutdown 4evaaa" people better hurry up and build a glass dome to live in because it's a dangerous world out there, bitches.
All the "shutdown 4evaaa" people better hurry up and build a glass dome to live in because it's a dangerous world out there, bitches.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:36 pm to tiggerthetooth
Because of rapid and vast testing.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:43 pm to themunch
I got three responses - all saying “I think it’s been here a lot longer”.
#1 - provide evidence to support your case.
#2 - 6. hospitals have not been overwhelmed. Vents have not been in short supply. medical workers have not been dropping like flies. Respiratory deaths have not been on an exponential curve. Your assertion would also mean the world medical community are clueless to a global pandemic.
so. There’s a mountain of evidence AGAINST your claim. I ask you to provide ONE piece of evidence to support your claim.
#1 - provide evidence to support your case.
#2 - 6. hospitals have not been overwhelmed. Vents have not been in short supply. medical workers have not been dropping like flies. Respiratory deaths have not been on an exponential curve. Your assertion would also mean the world medical community are clueless to a global pandemic.
so. There’s a mountain of evidence AGAINST your claim. I ask you to provide ONE piece of evidence to support your claim.
This post was edited on 3/28/20 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 3/28/20 at 8:15 pm to TigerAxeOK
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How many people died of congestive heart failure, cancer, drunk driving accidents and suicide in the last 24 hours?
This is not the best analogy to use you know.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 8:31 pm to BobBoucher
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#1 - provide evidence to support your case.
There is no evidence because there were no tests being performed. You are arguing against something that cannot be proven. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Congrats on your win, I guess.
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hospitals have not been overwhelmed. Vents have not been in short supply. medical workers have not been dropping like flies. Respiratory deaths have not been on an exponential curve.
Isn't all of this just evidence that the virus isn't nearly as deadly as all the "experts" and media have said? The people that travel the most internationally are not octogenarian retirees. Most travel to Wuhan was probably younger businessmen. These people would have been able to catch and spread the virus without the global medical community noticing because they are less likely to go to the hospital because of a few mild flu symptoms.
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Your assertion would also mean the world medical community are clueless to a global pandemic.
Well, they were extremely far off on their predictions, so...
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There’s a mountain of evidence AGAINST your claim. I ask you to provide ONE piece of evidence to support your claim.
Every virus existed and spread before the global medical community was aware of it. It's easier to notice something like Ebola before it spreads internationally because it started in BFE Africa. There's not a lot of traffic there. A virus that starts in an international city of 11 million people is certainly going to spread a lot faster before the global medical community catches on. I don't know why you need evidence of something that is common sense. Maybe antibody testing will provide you the evidence in the coming months.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 8:32 pm to tiggerthetooth
we are close to the peak
Posted on 3/28/20 at 8:38 pm to tiggerthetooth
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We didnt know anything in February because China was covering shite up
C’mon folks, grocery stores were planning for a pandemic in January. We can’t expect our federal government to be as prepared or get the same kind of information as H-E-B.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 8:49 pm to tiggerthetooth
And according to Worldometer four states, where one state abuts another state, are responsible for more than 50% of the cases. NY, Mass., PA and NJ make up about 72,000 cases out of a total of about 124,000.
Yet the rest of the country is also paying their price.
Yet the rest of the country is also paying their price.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 9:20 pm to Upperdecker
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How many people died of congestive heart failure, cancer, drunk driving accidents and suicide in the last 24 hours?
Are those numbers growing greater every day with no clear end in sight?
Pretty much
Posted on 3/30/20 at 12:18 am to tiggerthetooth
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We didnt know anything in February because China was covering shite up and killing doctors to conceal what was happening. In February the WHO told the world, despite having access to the goings in China, that the virus had no evidence of human to human contact. We know that was a lie too.
Do you think its that easy shutting down the 3rd largest country with the largest economy the world has ever known? You make it seem like all it takes is a switch. People's livelihoods depends on working and moving about day to day, for jobs, friendship, connection, feeling like you have a purpose.
Don't know what radical nazi blog site you worship and get your world views from, but what you stated China did, they did for barely one single month. The WHO were notified at the end of 2019.
China reported it as clusters of pneumonia cases of no known cause that were epidemiologically linked to a seafood and ‘wet’ animal wholesale food market in Wuhan, China, to WHO on December 31st. By January 7th, they determined it to be a novel coronavirus. On January 21st, China officially confirmed that it was a human-to-human variant of SARS-Coronavirus. However, throughout January the Wuhan doctors & scientists were publicly releasing their findings to the global and open access GenBank that's supported by the NIH.
YES, during late December 2019 (reportedly Dec. 30th - the day before China reported to WHO pneumonia cases of "unknown" causes, several doctors started reporting findings of the virus that resembled SAR-Coronavirus and began distributing those findings to other colleagues, but were prohibited by their superiors)into January 2020 Chinese authorities sought to withhold initial findings regarding COVID-19, for a total period of about 3 weeks.
South Korea had their Index Case on January 20th, and by early February they already had an established test and were mass-manufacturing at a high level. A lab in Berlin developed a test that was shipped to some 170 countries January 23rd, two days after the first confirmed case in the U.S. was determined - a man who returned to the U.S. from China around January 15th, and was confirmed Jan. 21st.
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The facts clearly show that yes we knew quite a LOT not just in February, but in January as well. CDC officially developed its first test for the virus February 3, 2020. As we all know now, there were substantial issues with the test that took nearly a month to fix. The first officially confirmed case of COVID-19 to have received the infection from exposure in the community, was in California. At first, the medical staff asked for CDC testing of the patient, but was turned down by the CDC because the patient did not meet initial criteria by the CDC: he had not been in China or other infected areas, nor had he had relations with anyone who had.
This patient was shipped from hospital to hospital in California, eventually ending up at UC Davis Medical Center:
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Sunday (Feb. 23), the CDC ordered COVID-19 testing of the patient, and the patient was put on airborne precautions and strict contact precautions, because of our concerns about the patient’s condition. Today the CDC confirmed the patient’s test was positive.
This is not the first COVID-19 patient we have treated, and because of the precautions we have had in place since this patient’s arrival, we believe there has been minimal potential for exposure here at UC Davis Medical Center.
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Do you think its that easy shutting down the 3rd largest country with the largest economy the world has ever known? You make it seem like all it takes is a switch. People's livelihoods depends on working and moving about day to day, for jobs, friendship, connection, feeling like you have a purpose.
My post was in response to another that was talking about things that we as a nation are doing TODAY - not about some idea of something we could do. So your argument is moot. I was talking about something we obviously are doing TODAY - something YOU say is so hard to do, but we are still doing it somehow - and what positive impact doing it could have had on this pandemic if we had only done it earlier.
I won't even get into the factual knowledge that we had as a nation of our shortages for PPE equipment, respirators, ventilators, and coordination to the state levels way back in the summertime of 2019. Before China or ANYONE knew that COVID-19 was even a thing. Back before China had it's very first patient of it. Now what we knew back then would happen if we suffered a pandemic, is actually happening. And we STILL took our time dealing with it - we didn't really deal with it to be honest.
We're dealing with it now. Do I think it's easy shutting down the 3rd largest country?? Hell no, we all are seeing how hard it is, as we are actually doing that right now, moron.
My question was how difficult would it all have been, had we responded smarter, and faster to it, than we actually have....
This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 12:31 am
Posted on 3/30/20 at 12:22 am to themunch
Two weeks will tell the tale. I think that we are going to be OK. Not just OK but leading the world economically.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 6:49 am to ConwayGamecock
quote:There is no evidence that any democrat administration would have not taken the CDC's advice on the tests as Trump did. There is nothing to suggest a democrat would have stockpiled perishable PPE(with expiration date) in any greater amount than what we had. There is no evidence that any democrat administration would have taken these unprecedented measures any sooner than Trump did. Really, think about the enormity of what has been done...UNPRECEDENTED.
My question was how difficult would it all have been, had we responded smarter, and faster to it, than we actually have....
IN FACT, we know it is a certainty that the democrats would have allowed travel to and from China practically unabated thereby seeding the US further with the virus throughout February.
You post all of this in order to confuse the fact that your wisdom and great solutions and plans are all made in hindsight and clouded by your visceral, malignant hate for Trump. Congratulations you're one hell of a Monday morning quarterback.
This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 7:59 am
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