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re: The Tucker interview was my first long form exposure to Putin

Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:39 am to
Posted by ChineseBandit58
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:39 am to
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He was KGB. Of course he is.

KGB background means he is ruthless in addition to being intellectially superior to any of our current mush brained focused-on-diversity adherents.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:40 am to
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And some of it was bullshite.
The BS was vis-a-vis omission especially as relates to WWII. But the facts he chose to include were interesting, and elements I'd not heard.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:44 am to
The Putin Interviews by Oliver Stone - Part 1 of 4

They called Oliver Stone a "Putin Apologist" and all kinds of names. Yet always purposely fail to see calling for peace and Putin is not the boogieman This can't be refuted propaganda.

Peace is peace no amount of propaganda allowed.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:48 am to
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I'm surprised he didn't speak english for the interview. Surely he is fluent in it?


He does speak English.

Maybe he wanted to speak Russian because he didn’t want to get tripped up on a worldwide interview if he didn’t understand the way Tucker phrased something?

Possible.

Personally, he may have come off as being more relatable to hundreds of millions of people if he spoke English.

But speaking Russian allowed him to maintain some mystique. I’m sure a lot of what he said was calculated, and the delay needed for a translator aided in that.

Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:48 am to
Putin calls on US to stop fighting in Ukraine and push for peace deal

Victoria Nuland and the corrupted CIA and State Dept. can't deny this. Imagine a KGB agent calling out our marxist CIA.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:49 am to
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But the facts he chose to include were interesting, and elements I'd not heard.


Careful you don't step into bullshite. Putin is an intelligent and crafty man who has managed to seize full power in a country known for being hard and unforgiving to its leaders. Take everything he says with a grain of salt. Tucker even warned his viewers prior to the start of the interview that the man did a lot of gaslighting during their two-hour conversation.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:52 am to
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Where is the information to substantiate this? It gets thrown around a lot, but what are the numbers we are looking at?


The Potato in Chief keeps calling him a murderous thug, so that’s enough for some people. They just accept it.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:57 am to
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Well, for example, Putin flat out lied about the reason for Russian withdrawal from the Kyiv surrounds.


But did he lie?

That’s your opinion.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:59 am to
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But why would the president of the United States need to have some one on one negotiations with the dictator of a crumbling nation?


Which nation do you see as crumbling?

A good argument can be made that ours is.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 7:05 am to
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But did he lie?

That’s your opinion.


I think he did.

He claims this war was started to "de-nazify" Ukraine, but if you pay attention he states at the beginning of the interview his true war aims without drawing too much attention to them. He mentioned that up until the days of the First World War, the Russians had a long-standing history of controlling Ukraine all the way to the west of Kiev.

Putin is a an ultranationalist who wants to see a return to the pre-WWI borders. How does one de-nazify a country? By taking it over and liquidating them.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 7:14 am to

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Scott Adams

@scottadamssays

How many of you thought Putin was "all there" in the Tucker interview?

If he seemed lucid to you, it's because Biden is your comparison.

I thought Putin seemed unhinged. The history lesson was not a good sign.
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 7:59 am to
is putin a man you can made a deal with and shake on it? i think so. the united states? not so much. their word isn't worth anything. we won't move nato farther east. yea, right.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:04 am to
Well, Scott's point is that Biden makes Putin look like a stable genuis.

Putin is still a killer, thug, gang leader at heart.
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:11 am to
Putin plays a much longer game.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:31 am to
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Careful you don't step into bullshite.
Were you aware of the Polish assault on Russia 1918-20?
I wasn't.

It ties into the Versailles Treaty recreation of Poland in 1918. (The treaty allocated a further land grab which geographically divided Germany in order to provide Poland a Baltic port. That led to Hitler invading Poland 20 years later.)

Once formed, the new Poland immediately sought to further expand toward its 1792 boundaries. It attacked into Russia eastward past Kyiv, temporarily taking advantage of ongoing Russian Civil Wars. In 1920, Russian forces routed the Poles though, leading to the Treaty of Riga. Riga set the pre-WWII Polish boundaries, as well as the German-Soviet rationale for partitioning Poland in 1939.

Not BS. Just a different set of facts.




Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:37 am to
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But did he lie?
Yes, he did. It has nothing to do with opinion.

Russia's retreat from Kyiv predated serious peace talks. It's a matter of fact.

Russia refused to sit for negotiations/talks while they assumed they'd occupy Kyiv and most of Ukraine by Spring 2022.

After they got their butts kicked in Kyiv, they agreed to talks, which we scuttled.
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 8:40 am
Posted by Born2rock
Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:41 am to
Putin only met with TC because he had an agenda…plus, Congress is the middle of determining if they’ll provide more support for Ukraine. Not a coincidence.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10870 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:47 am to
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If he'd stop invading countries we could be.


Since Putin has been President, who has invaded more sovereign countries, Russia or US?
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10870 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:53 am to
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Where is the information to substantiate this? It gets thrown around a lot, but what are the numbers we are looking at? People talk about Hillary and there's a long list of names connected to her that have suspicious deaths. Where is the analog for Putin?


Right, I know what American media, who routinely lies says about Putin. I never really hear specifics. I dont see evidence of death camps. Ive heard he had a political opponent poisoned once. Ive also heard that he was in a hospice about to die. I have no idea what is really true. At this point after some serious self reflection, I only know one thing for fact: the US media lies and cannot be trusted
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 8:54 am to
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Putin only met with TC because he had an agenda…
"he had an agenda…"?

He is a national leader ... with an agenda?

Are you under the impression there is a single national leader on the planet without an agenda?
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