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re: The Tucker interview was my first long form exposure to Putin

Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:48 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:48 am to
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jails or kills naysayers and political opponents
Are you actually writing from inside the US, or do you live elsewhere?
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:52 am to
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John Sweeney's a British journalist who's been covering Putin since the beginning of his Presidency. Sampling his book is a good place to start.

Killer in the Kremlin


Thanks, I'll take a look.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13676 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 4:56 am to

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Nah, i just found out that im in the .01%. Super stoked.


meds dont forget your meds.....
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162294 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:00 am to
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It's wild to imagine Biden sitting down with him in any negotiations requiring a matchup of wit.

Sure

But why would the president of the United States need to have some one on one negotiations with the dictator of a crumbling nation?
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:00 am to
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Did Putin address the holodomor?


Not specifically but he did mention the repressive Stalinist regime.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13676 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:02 am to
[img]Putin jails or kills naysayers and political opponents. I'd take anything he said with a huge grain of salt.[/img]

Careful there pardna, there is a glass house the size of DC.....
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124668 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:05 am to
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Sampling his book is a good place to start.

Killer in the Kremlin


Here's a sample:
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We get out at the Arsenal stop, the deepest underground station in the world. It is built into the side of the cliff that makes Kyiv a natural citadel, one where the Rus civilization was founded a thousand years ago. Moscow was, is and always will be the branch office.
Seems like a second coming of the "boring" historical case Putin made to Tucker.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59502 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:12 am to
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a crumbling nation


This is dumb.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
1351 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 5:58 am to
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I don’t think posters around here understand how silly it makes them look as they post about how well Putin explained the history of this part of the world. That opinion says far more about how little you yourselves actually understood to begin with. What he said is still only part of the story in the region. And he was KGB, absolutely no one should be surprised that hes able to hold a conversation. None of this is a new revelation.


I don’t think it’s a new revelation, I think some who’re used to Biden having tranquilizers sprinkled into his pudding cup, McConnell zoning out like a zombie, or AOC saying AOC things find a knowledgeable leader interesting.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
1351 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:06 am to
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Yeah, our last few presidents knew just as much about our history. Biden could tell us a thing or two about America in 1389.


He could remind us that Beau died in 1389.

No joke, I’m serious.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
1351 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:12 am to
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So you don’t actually know if the “facts” he said are actually facts but because he sounded confident about them you believe him. Interesting. Do you happen to be MAGA?


I haven’t fact checked everything in his interview.

That said, he’s savvy enough to know a virtual army of global intelligence agencies, not to mention every rag tag liberal fact checker will dissect every word he said looking for errors or hidden meaning.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30724 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:15 am to
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I don’t think posters around here understand how silly it makes them look as they post about how well Putin explained the history of this part of the world. That opinion says far more about how little you yourselves actually understood to begin with. What he said is still only part of the story in the region. And he was KGB, absolutely no one should be surprised that hes able to hold a conversation



The juxtaposition of Putin telling this long, drawn out story vs ANY sound bite of Biden not being able to string together three words that make sense bothers progfilth.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31614 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:18 am to
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Do you happen to be MAGA?


What does that have to do with anything?

Go fact check what Putin said and get back to us.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124668 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:18 am to
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So you don’t actually know if the “facts” he said are actually facts but because he sounded confident about them you believe him.


Interesting.

Do you happen to be MAGA?
So you don't actually address facts as facts. Instead you attack the messenger.

Interesting.

Do you happen to be a Prog?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:19 am to
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His long form history lecture was interesting as it relates to how he views the justification of the war in Ukraine.


And some of it was bullshite. I can't speak for the shite he was talking about from 500-1,000 years ago, but his history as it relates to Poland and the Second World War was a blatant lie. This idea that the Poles were conspiring with Hitler in Czechoslovakia is absurd. When the Germans invaded Czechoslovakia in March 1939 Poland, a dictatorship at the time, took advantage of the situation and partitioned a piece of that nation which had belonged to Poland prior to the Versailles Treaty.

His claim that the Soviets offered the Poles military assistance to deal with Nazi Germany prior to the outbreak of World War II is just plain inaccurate:

Yeah, the Soviets offered them military aid, but under the stipulation that those forces be allowed free passage through Poland. The Poles, remembering quite vividly the war they had fought against the USSR less than 20 years earlier, told Stalin to kick rocks. They figured (correctly) that once in Poland, Red Army forces would never leave.

And then there's the whole agreement Stalin and Hitler had to partition Poland which Putin completely glosses over, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Polish political prisoners Stalin had executed or sent off to the gulags of Siberia, never to be seen again.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
1351 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:27 am to
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I don’t think I have ever seen what you are saying. I have only seen him portrayed as a skilled ex-KGB officer.


IMHO if you ask a typical American or European if their impression of Putin is that he’s the KGB version of James Bond, they’d agree.

Ask them if he has a law degree or PhD, those same people wouldn’t have a clue.

Why? Because of how the media has portrayed him for years.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:35 am to
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Ask them if he has a law degree or PhD, those same people wouldn’t have a clue.

Why? Because of how the media has portrayed him for years.



More than half of the cabinet members present at the Wannsee Conference in Berlin were lawyers. It's possible to be intelligent and evil at the same time.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43151 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:35 am to
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first long form exposure to Putin

same here - I was impressed with his intellect and command of the situation -

He is an opponent to be feared - and respected.

Cannot imaging Potatus indulging in any kind of critical discussion with this man.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
1351 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:36 am to
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Well if you consider indiscriminate missile attacks on civilians then I’d agree, Putin is a murderous dictator. If you ask the friends and family of Y. Pregozhin, I’d guess they’d say Putin is a murderous dictator. I wonder what Georgians would say? Checnyians?


Well, to be perfectly honest, the US can’t claim any type of moral high ground.

We’ve been interfering in other countries elections and killing innocent people since the 50’s.
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
1351 posts
Posted on 2/10/24 at 6:38 am to
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If he'd stop invading countries we could be


Maybe the US should, as well?
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