re: The Truth: No One is Born Gay or Trans.

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Though I struggle with it, I tend to agree with this.

I watched a nephew grow up from birth to today as a 37 year old gay man and I can distinctly remember thinking when he was only a few years old (3 - 4 maybe) that he had gay "mannerisms". You know what I referring to....

The worst part was been watching the heartbreak my BiL and sister as they've struggled with the "what did we do wrong" self induced guilt. One of the hardest days of my life as a sibling was when my sister called me to tell my they realized "sons name" was gay. No way I could tell her I had feared that since he was a child, so I just listened and let her cry. I pray for her and "him" every day.

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Why not tell her that you noticed it when he was 3 or 4?
Wouldn't that make her feel better about it all?

She's probably worried they did something wrong years after that.... like in his adolescent years.

You might ease their worry by telling them.

It's conditioning. They were born feminine, a lot of males are. The gay part comes later. It's totally learned.

From a religious standpoint, homosexuality is a sin. From a scientific perspective, homosexuality would be an accident if a mammal “could” be born gay because biologically our role as animals is to reproduce, nothing more. So for our more “enlightened” liberal friends homosexuality is contrary to nature regardless of the feeble attempts to describe some animal communities as homosexual or trans

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Who in the ever living hell would choose to be gay?

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There are definitely some kids these days that are doing it because it is cool. I do believe that many people are born gay, but there is a social contagion to it as well. I think the actual number of gay people is around where the Boomers were at about 3%.

And women with extremely bad relationships with men can be turned lesbian. Women’s sexuality is definitely more fluid than men’s.

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ho in the ever living hell would choose to be gay?

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Probably a good question for people in prison since many choose to be gay while incarcerated.

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Yeah, I doubt it. There are just some kids you know from the moment they begin to speak that they’re gay. None of them are born trans though.

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I worked for a guy that you would have sworn was gay and bet a large sum on that fact.

He was married to a Hawaiian Tropic model who was one of the sexiest women I’d ever seen.

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How many total raised apart twins are you talking about.

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Not sure.

But there are significantly higher concordance rates in monozygotic twins (.24) vs dizygotic twins (.15) reared together . This is from Meta-analyses. Some single studies demonstrate a much greater discrepancy in favor of monozygotic twins. (>.50 vs. >.30)
Decades of research has been consistent supporting the role of genetics and biology in the sexual orientation. It’s really not even debatable, scientifically speaking.

I agree with this. I have 3 cousins that are gay. I remember separately asking my Mom about all 3 if they were "Queer" long before I knew what that even meant. Even as a small kid you could since that something was different about them. None of them were ever abused in any way. It is just the way they were born. Sure there are some perverts out there that are sexual deviants but I honestly believe that most Gays were born that way and just want to live free and be happy like everyone else. On another note some of you people are waaaaaayyyyyy more F'd Up than the people you are trying to complain about in this thread!

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But given that, with homosexual incidence at ~2.5%, the statistical probability of homosexual concordance in two out of two studied pairs (as in the Eckerd Study) would run ~1 in 2.56 million.

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In a purely isolated sense, if your sample size was significant enough to do statistics with a MoE and Confidence value, you were able to isolate them artificially etc...

But this is a clear case of confirmation bias.
You believe it is there so you treat correlation as causation.

But you have unique characteristics of lifestyle that would be associated with these twins, at least one was not raised by biological Parents.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/abs/homosexuality-in-monozygotic-twins-reared-apart/B20D4B45B348DFE2DA2404C65A192AD3

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Studied 6 pairs of monozygotic twins (aged 25–48 yrs; 8 females, 4 males) in which at least 1 member of 5 pairs was homosexual and 1 of the remaining pair was bisexual, from a series of 55 pairs, reared apart from infancy. All the female pairs were discordant for homosexual behavior. It was concluded that this and other evidence suggest that female homosexuality may be an acquired trait. One male pair was concordant for homosexuality, while the other was not clearly concordant or discordant. It is suggested that male homosexuality may be associated with a complex interaction in which genes play some part. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2018 APA, all rights reserved)

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Here is a study, 6 total pairs of twins, 5 with at least one gay and one with at least one Bi. out of 55 total pairs.

That's a significantly higher percent than you quoted at 2.5%, its 2-4x higher.

Zero of the female twin pairs showed shared homosexuality traits.

That's still statistically non valid.

Much less the FOUR males.

2 pairs of twins,

And that is the Eckert database.

If the twins overall were 20 male cases (conservative) that would be a gay rate of 20%

There are observations that Childhood environment plays a huge role.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?title=Six+homosexual+siblings&author=Dank+B.+M.&publication+year=1971&journal=Archives+of+Sexual+Behavior&volume=1&pages=193-204

The odds that those children all were gay statistically was extremely low, But when you read up on the family... no wonder.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8494487/
Here, again, self selection Bias in the data sets.

Even the opening Paragraph of the Eckert paper

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There have been a few reports of homosexuality in
male twins ascertained as part of a series. Kallmann
(1953) reported 100% concordance in 37 mono
zygotic (MZ) pairs, compared to 12% in 26
dizygotic (DZ) pairs, but came to regard that rate
for MZ pairs as excessive, because the twins were
recruited from the clandestineworld' of New York
City homosexuals of the 1940s, which might favour
over-inclusion of concordant pairs.

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The the two pairs of males that were raised apart were both molested
Pair 1 both at 13.

Pair 2 at 12 and 15

I'm seriously seeing massive flaws in the defense of this proposition based on Twin studies.