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re: The True History of the Jonestown Cult, WWII, and How Winston Churchill Ruined Europe
Posted on 9/6/24 at 2:48 pm to LookSquirrel
Posted on 9/6/24 at 2:48 pm to LookSquirrel
Hitler invading Poland was not the start of WWII in Europe? It was ok. Germany was just trying to get back what they had lost in WWI.
It was Churchill’s fault, he wanted war even though Hitler invaded Poland and Neville Chamberlain led England to declare war. It was Churchill’s fault even though Germany invaded Denmark and Norway before he (Churchill) became PM. It was Churchill’s fault Germany invaded Luxembourg. Belgium and Holland on the day Churchill was chosen PM.
Furthermore, the notion that Hitler only wanted to make Germany whole again doesn’t hold water. Germany helped Italy invade Greece in the fall of 1940. Hitler sent Rommel into Africa in early to bail Italy out. Later that year Hitler broke his deal with Stalin and invaded Russia.
The notion that Hitler just wanted Germany whole again is absurd.
It was Churchill’s fault, he wanted war even though Hitler invaded Poland and Neville Chamberlain led England to declare war. It was Churchill’s fault even though Germany invaded Denmark and Norway before he (Churchill) became PM. It was Churchill’s fault Germany invaded Luxembourg. Belgium and Holland on the day Churchill was chosen PM.
Furthermore, the notion that Hitler only wanted to make Germany whole again doesn’t hold water. Germany helped Italy invade Greece in the fall of 1940. Hitler sent Rommel into Africa in early to bail Italy out. Later that year Hitler broke his deal with Stalin and invaded Russia.
The notion that Hitler just wanted Germany whole again is absurd.
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Posted on 9/6/24 at 2:52 pm to doubleb
NT.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 9/6/24 at 2:57 pm to LookSquirrel
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Honestly, that link sucked man. I'm not going to argue against Churchill doing things for political gain but to say WW2 was started by anyone other than Hitler is ridiculous. The occupation of the Rhineland, The Sudetenland, The Anschluss, violating the 1938 Munich agreement (Sudetenland) further annexing Czech provinces...
Then Invading Poland. Not stopping at Teutonic territories but occupying all of Poland? His hatred of Slavs, Roamani, Hungarian -- any non-Germanic white was seen as inferior. Hitler was a net negative for whites and the after effects of his regieme created NATO/the EU.
Germany had real problems post-WW1 regarding national pride, hyperinflation, bolshevism/communism. At any point Hitler could have stopped and taken a more diplomatic approach when rebuilding the German State, but he was an egomaniac. Painting Churchill as the main badman for WW2 is quite hilarious really.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 9/6/24 at 4:35 pm to OBReb6
That so-called “historian” has long been a Nazi apologist with zero credibility,
and Tucker Carlson has no shame.
Churchill stood up to Hitler and helped his nation endure and prevail over the horror of the Nazi
bombing during the Battle of Britain.
Anyone who swallows that guy’s hogwash is a complete fool.
and Tucker Carlson has no shame.
Churchill stood up to Hitler and helped his nation endure and prevail over the horror of the Nazi
bombing during the Battle of Britain.
Anyone who swallows that guy’s hogwash is a complete fool.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 5:04 pm to VOR
OK. You want some "HISTORY"?
More than nine million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after the Second World War, including 1.5-2 million German prisoners,
LINK
In 'Eisenhower’s Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers
LINK
But yea he "BAD", "WE" Good? Right?
My German Grandmother's entire family died of yellow fever, here in the US in 1917. She was raised by the Catholic Nuns in Chatawa, MS.
A large portion of her extended family died IN Germany, AFTER WW2.
It isn't the "history" you think you know though!
It's the history that is suppresed.
BTW, Most of my entire family WAS career military.
ETA; How convenient is it that my links will not work here.
Go to LINK if you can, or dare,,,
More than nine million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after the Second World War, including 1.5-2 million German prisoners,
LINK
In 'Eisenhower’s Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers
LINK
But yea he "BAD", "WE" Good? Right?
My German Grandmother's entire family died of yellow fever, here in the US in 1917. She was raised by the Catholic Nuns in Chatawa, MS.
A large portion of her extended family died IN Germany, AFTER WW2.
It isn't the "history" you think you know though!
It's the history that is suppresed.
BTW, Most of my entire family WAS career military.
ETA; How convenient is it that my links will not work here.
Go to LINK if you can, or dare,,,
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 9/6/24 at 6:01 pm to LookSquirrel
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OK. You want some "HISTORY"? More than nine million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after the Second World War, including 1.5-2 million German prisoners, LINK In 'Eisenhower’s Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers LINK But yea he "BAD", "WE" Good? Right? My German Grandmother's entire family died of yellow fever, here in the US in 1917. She was raised by the Catholic Nuns in Chatawa, MS. A large portion of her extended family died IN Germany, AFTER WW2. It isn't the "history" you think you know though! It's the history that is suppresed. BTW, Most of my entire family WAS career military. ETA; How convenient is it that my links will not work here. Go to LINK if you can, or dare,,,
Lmao. Nazis lost. Cry about it some more pussy. At least have the fricking balls to say you wish the Nazis won.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 9/6/24 at 6:14 pm to LookSquirrel
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But yea he "BAD", "WE" Good? Right?
Only you guys are claiming this is the narrative. No one believes that atrocities weren't committed by both sides. You guys create a straw man that you can easily defeat.
You guys frame the argument as though
1. There's some sort of 100% consensus on all events surrounding WW2
2. This imagined consensus has one source (the government)
When in fact neither of those things are true.
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It's the history that is suppresed.
There are wikipedia pages about both the Allied camps in Europe and the expulsion of Germans from eastern Europe after the war.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 6:54 pm to VOR
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That so-called “historian” has long been a Nazi apologist with zero credibility,
and Tucker Carlson has no shame.
fringe shitheads like Cooper is nothing new.
what is surprising and alarming is tucker carlson, arguably the pre-eminent convservative pundit, not only platforming this guy, but championing him as the most honest and important ww2 historian.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:00 pm to JoeHackett
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There are Wikipedia pages about both the Allied camps in Europe and the expulsion of Germans from eastern Europe after the war.
I don't take Wiki as a reliably source on topics like this. This wasn't so much about the US involvement, as it is about the Power Entities that carried out atrocities against white, Christian civilians. Many, or most were women.
Why kill millions of these people? On purpose? So horribly?
Was it pay back by these power influencers of our Government practice an eye for an eye, pluse some?
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As to the correct observation that allied policy was to reduce the German population through, murder in multiple forms, slave labor, and starvation, and destroy the fabric of the society through mass rape of the female population, other authors are critized for saying the same thing but only decades later.
Why a Hlocaust, but no name for what really happened to the post war Germans?
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:15 pm to LookSquirrel
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Why a Hlocaust, but no name for what really happened to the post war Germans?
Lmao. I hope this keeps you up at night.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:33 pm to REG861
I will. I got it off my chest. I've known about this since I was a kid.
Thanks for the well wishes.
a-hole
Thanks for the well wishes.
a-hole
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:46 pm to VOR
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That so-called “historian” has long been a Nazi apologist with zero credibility,
you're an absolute lying sack of shite just like everybody else calling him an anti-semitic or nazi sympather
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to give you anything like a proper context was going to take a whole series (sic) and absolutely underplay the central role that the Holocaust plays in the Zionist story and in Jewish self-understanding today.
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my goal.. is not to simply to emphasize the horror of the Holocaust because we know it was horrible. so was the rape of two million German women by Soviet Soldiers. So was the starvation of three million Soviet soldiers by the Germans. So was the rape of Nanking and the indiscriminate annihilation of German and Japanse cities from Allied bombers."
people that can't take "the Holocaust was real and awful I hate that it happened" right next to "we also committed some atrocities as well," and accept that as fact without forcibly assigning a weight are the definition of mid-wit.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:13 pm to 3nOut
World war 2 was the worst thing that’s ever happened. Why is it that you can’t examine it and talk about ways it could have been prevented, or shortened, as a minimum means to better understand the causes and how to better handle some future conflict?
That is my main takeaway from guys like Cooper and Pat Buchanan. No one that has any sort of platform or following actually says Hitler was the good guy and should have won. People like them with a little objectivity are advocating for better understanding of both sides so we can figure out what the hell actually happened and maybe identify warning signs in the future.
If people had a better understanding of these things they might wise up to the warning signs that are starting to happen all over again and know that popular and government responses are not the solution.
That is my main takeaway from guys like Cooper and Pat Buchanan. No one that has any sort of platform or following actually says Hitler was the good guy and should have won. People like them with a little objectivity are advocating for better understanding of both sides so we can figure out what the hell actually happened and maybe identify warning signs in the future.
If people had a better understanding of these things they might wise up to the warning signs that are starting to happen all over again and know that popular and government responses are not the solution.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:15 pm to JoeHackett
Didn't read the whole thread, but man, Mr. Cooper completely ripped off Dan Carlin's format, straight ripp off.
From the introduction, to his intro song, to the sequence of quotes from authors, even the pitch in his voice as he reads.
And I like his podcasts...but come on. Ripoff
From the introduction, to his intro song, to the sequence of quotes from authors, even the pitch in his voice as he reads.
And I like his podcasts...but come on. Ripoff
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:16 pm to LSUHeights
He has said many times Dan Carlin was the direct inspiration for his podcast
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:36 pm to OBReb6
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That is my main takeaway from guys like Cooper and Pat Buchanan. No one that has any sort of platform or following actually says Hitler was the good guy and should have won. People like them with a little objectivity are advocating for better understanding of both sides so we can figure out what the hell actually happened and maybe identify warning signs in the future.
exactly.
one of the best books i read in the last 10 years was "in the garden of the beasts" by Erik Larsen (mainly known for the Devil in the White City) where he details our diplomat to Germany in the rise of Hitler. He is in no way, sympathetic to Hitler's atrocities, but does point out why Hitler had a bunch of rage against the west and how it was purposely misplaced at the Jews and their involvement in the Treaty of Versailles then the beatdown to repay war debts.(a lot done by American Jews.)
a completely fair and accurate depiction of why Hitler/Germany (unfairly) had a hardon against the Jews in Germany.
absolutely NOBODY rages against Larsen for this book and he's not saying anything Cooper didn't say in the interview.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:41 pm to 3nOut
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you're an absolute lying sack of shite just like everybody else calling him an anti-semitic or nazi sympather
Something else I want to add to this
On Cooper’s substack several weeks ago he put out an article relating to Jews and the slave trade (he has an ongoing series on the history of slavery in North America). He put this out as a sidebar to address the common trope that Jews were behind the slave trade and controlled the East India company. The Nation of Islam in particular has been driving this talking point for a long time, and put out a book a while back on the subject.
Cooper’s article was an in depth refutation of that concept. He went over many documents to display that the whole “Jews controlled the slave trade” concept is largely a myth. There were some Conversos (Jews forced to convert to Christianity in Portugal) that were involved in the early days, but it was not overly disproportional and did not last all that long.
So, the idea he’s an avid Jew hater are ignorant. The only thing he consistently does is try to get inside the mind, or put himself in the shoes, of the people on both sides of any topic he covers.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:45 pm to 3nOut
That's because Larsen chronicles actual history with the rise of the Nazi Party and the beginnings of their pogrom against the Jews. Cooper ignores and twists facts to make the British out to be the villains of the Second World War. Funnily enough, there were French officials spewing the same shite in 1939 and 1940 that Cooper is spewing in 2024.
"Why didn't we just let Hitler have Poland?"
This, of course, completely ignores the fact that Hitler had immediate plans to attack in the West because he wanted revenge on France for Germany's defeat in 1918. And Cooper completely ignores the fact that Hitler's ultimate goal was to invade the Soviet Union. Everything he was, everything he did, was building up to June 1941 when he unleashed Operation Barbarossa on the Russians. Germany vs. Russia would have happened regardless of whether or not Britain made peace with the Nazis in 1940.
"Why didn't we just let Hitler have Poland?"
This, of course, completely ignores the fact that Hitler had immediate plans to attack in the West because he wanted revenge on France for Germany's defeat in 1918. And Cooper completely ignores the fact that Hitler's ultimate goal was to invade the Soviet Union. Everything he was, everything he did, was building up to June 1941 when he unleashed Operation Barbarossa on the Russians. Germany vs. Russia would have happened regardless of whether or not Britain made peace with the Nazis in 1940.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:46 pm to 3nOut
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people that can't take "the Holocaust was real and awful I hate that it happened" right next to "we also committed some atrocities as well," and accept that as fact without forcibly assigning a weight are the definition of mid-wit.
The Holacsust was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
the atrocities we committed and shouldn’t be in the same discussion.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:50 pm to RollTide1987
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Cooper ignores and twists facts to make the British out to be the villains of the Second World War.
What y’all can’t seem to grasp is that he made all of these responses to a direct question of why does he think Churchill doesn’t deserve the immaculate reputation he has among the mainstream public opinion.
He gave a concentrated response to that single topic. You can do the same thing with most people in history.
If he comes out next year with an entire podcast series completely taking the side of the Germans then this would and will be an entirely different discussion, and I’ll largely agree with people like you in that case.
But that’s not what will happen, because that’s not what Cooper does. He consistently approaches a topic and shares as many facts and context events from both sides as he can to attempt to paint a complete picture.
We can have this discussion again in a year, and all of you will look like idiots
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