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re: The True History of the Jonestown Cult, WWII, and How Winston Churchill Ruined Europe
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:52 am to Tmcgin
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:52 am to Tmcgin
I loved Tucker. I tuned in every single day and days I couldn't it was set to record and I would watch his opening.
Once he got fired by Fox, he went increasingly weird. Just weirder and weirder people on. Its like he thought he HAD to get these outcasts on and make them part of the conversation because he was an outcast? He had to get weirdos because that was what he came across online? I don't know.
But its not for me. There's a few good people like Steve Deace out there but the grifter class like Tim Pool and PBD that have all popped up in the wake of Rush's death are just not for me.
Once he got fired by Fox, he went increasingly weird. Just weirder and weirder people on. Its like he thought he HAD to get these outcasts on and make them part of the conversation because he was an outcast? He had to get weirdos because that was what he came across online? I don't know.
But its not for me. There's a few good people like Steve Deace out there but the grifter class like Tim Pool and PBD that have all popped up in the wake of Rush's death are just not for me.
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Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:54 am to RollTide1987
It's hard to know what to believe anymore when the intel agencies and media lied about Russiagate, Putin putting bounties on American soldiers in Afghanistan, and Hunter's laptop.
Just kind of as a test, I made a point of seeking out alt media when the Ukraine conflict started. I think academics like Jeffrey Sachs and John Mearsheimer, as well as former CIA officers like Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern, seem honest. But, I don't know. The conflict is like some crazy information war or psy-op.
Just kind of as a test, I made a point of seeking out alt media when the Ukraine conflict started. I think academics like Jeffrey Sachs and John Mearsheimer, as well as former CIA officers like Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern, seem honest. But, I don't know. The conflict is like some crazy information war or psy-op.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:58 am to Bunk Moreland
You can't get accurate information about a war being waged in real time. People need to recognize this fact and accept that we won't know the real stories behind the ongoing conflict in Ukraine for another 20-30 years.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:02 am to RollTide1987
And if you choose to ignore the actual historical literature and generate agit-prop wish-history, people won't know it even then.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:08 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Well he backs up that opinion with a lot of facts. Even if one doesnt arrive at the same conclusion, there is value in the discussion. Churchill did a lot of bad shite. He had an enormous effect on the end result of the war. I dont remember if Cooper called him the cheif villian but he certainly said that Churchill has as much responsibility for the outcome as anyone.
He twists the facts to suit his own conclusions. As I posted earlier in this thread, the man straight up ignores historical events to advance his thesis that Churchill was the chief villain of World War II.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:11 am to TigerDoc
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And if you choose to ignore the actual historical literature
So what’s the best way to identify actual history from the history written by victors to hopefully influence the mythology that future generations will accept as truth?
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:13 am to crazy4lsu
Not surprising you would pay money to an idiot.
Wowww that’s rich coming from you. He spits out more knowledge in an hour talking than you have in years on this site. Jackass.
PS. Don’t attack the message but attack the messenger like a good little Marxist mouthpiece
Wowww that’s rich coming from you. He spits out more knowledge in an hour talking than you have in years on this site. Jackass.
PS. Don’t attack the message but attack the messenger like a good little Marxist mouthpiece
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:18 am to Willie Stroker
The narrative has been used to hurt the West and the United States
You see that with immigration
You see that with immigration
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:18 am to 632627
We’re lied to about EVERYTHING and it’s been shoved in our faces for years now. But go ahead and blindly believe the narrative instead of asking questions
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:19 am to Willie Stroker
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So what’s the best way to identify actual history from the history written by victors to hopefully influence the mythology that future generations will accept as truth?
Read multiple history books, watch interviews of men who fought on both sides of the conflict, then use your deductive reasoning to work out what is myth and what is history.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:24 am to TigerDoc
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TigerDoc
Shouldn’t you be pushing more Russia Russia Russia hoax stories like the good little Marxist lemming you are????
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:24 am to Sweep Da Leg
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We’re lied to about EVERYTHING
We aren't though. There are things we are lied to about, there are things that are simply grey areas, and there are things that are true, just like at any other point in history. The difference now is that we are bombarded with information and viewpoints in the millions every day.
Churchill was not "the" villain of WW2 and Hitler was not just trying to make peace. Sorry.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:30 am to prplhze2000
No he’s NOT SAYOMG HITLER WAS A GOOD GUY JESUS!!! So fricking dense some of you or you’re being intentionally obtuse
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:34 am to Sweep Da Leg
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No he’s NOT SAYOMG HITLER WAS A GOOD GUY JESUS!!!
He's saying that Hitler wanted peace and Churchill refused to oblige him - which is 100% false. Hitler had proven on multiple occasions his absolute willingness to go back on his word when it came to negotiating with the western powers. While he was publicly offering France and Britain peace in October 1939, he was privately telling his generals to invade France by the end of November of that same year.
He also is for whatever reason angry that Britain refused to give up fighting after the fall of France in 1940, arguing that all they could do at that point was bomb German cities, ignoring completely how Britain had waged military conflicts against continental powers for the previous 200+ years.
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Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:34 am to prplhze2000
When did I say I favored anything?? Oh that’s right I didn’t. I don’t have a dog on this fight since I wasn’t alive yet but I’d love to understand and know the truth, as much as possible
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:36 am to Fun Bunch
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I miss people like Andrew Breitbart and Rush so much.
Oof you’d be sorely disappointed then because both of those guys had some serious questions and issues with the history told to us.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:39 am to Sweep Da Leg
MartyrMade is a fricking idiot, almost all of his "historical facts" are just wrong based on the things people actually said and wrote at that time. He takes things totally out of context and uses cut off quotes to make Hitler seem reasonable and Churchill seem like a warmonger.
Its absolute fricking nonsense. Hitler did not want peace at all, and we know this for an absolute fact. His talk of that was propaganda and stalling tactics so they could get their pieces in play, and we know this for absolute fact.
He also tries to weirdly paint Hitler in the best possible light.
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In an Oct 6 speech, Hitler said he did not want war. "I have had only in mind the great goal of attaining sincere friendship with the British people." Like Ciano's overture, Hitler's call for peace was met with contempt in the West. He said it would be his last. It wasn't. /19
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Hitler tried again, going on the radio to broadcast a call for peace directly to the British people. He would give back the parts of Poland that were not majority German, and would work with the other powers to reach an acceptable solution to the Jewish problem. He was ignored.
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Hitler faced calls to commence strikes in retaliation for the hunger blockade, but resisted. In January, Churchill publicly wondered why England had not yet been attacked from the air. "Is it that they are saving up some orgy of frightfulness which will soon come upon us?"
This is just the tip of the iceberg for utter complete crap. Just total nonsense.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:39 am to RollTide1987
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Read multiple history books, watch interviews of men who fought on both sides of the conflict, then use your deductive reasoning to work out what is myth and what is history.
This all day
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:40 am to Sweep Da Leg
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Oof you’d be sorely disappointed then because both of those guys had some serious questions and issues with the history told to us.
We should all question history when it deserves questions.
Neither of them ever believed Winston Churchill was the actual villain of WW2 and that Hitler just wanted peace, man.
Get a grip.
There are legitimate questions and grey areas. We are talking about complex people and topics. This is not a legitimate question.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:53 am to Fun Bunch
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I'm not sure I've ever been more discouraged. The right has gone completely insane giving lunatics like martyrmade the time of day or believing his utter nonsense.
I miss people like Andrew Breitbart and Rush so much
The left is absolutely insane with their identity politics and craziness.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure the fringe right is any better.
What's scary is how so many people eat this crap up.
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