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re: The True History of the Jonestown Cult, WWII, and How Winston Churchill Ruined Europe
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:57 pm to doubleb
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:57 pm to doubleb
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The Holacsust was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atrocities we committed and shouldn’t be in the same discussion.
This is true, but it’s still a simpleton shallow take.
What if we had been under invasion from two sides while we had all of the Japanese in concentration camps? What if the military decided it would be easier to kill them all instead of waste food on them?
We didn’t commit nearly the atrocities because we weren’t in a position that we felt we had to. Well, that is if you ignore the fire bombings and nuclear bombings of Japan
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Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:01 pm to OBReb6
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What y’all can’t seem to grasp is that he made all of these responses to a direct question of why does he think Churchill doesn’t deserve the immaculate reputation he has among the mainstream public opinion.
Churchill was a man. He wasn't Jesus Christ, he wasn't some demigod, he was a living, breathing human with flaws - just like the rest of us. He was by no means perfect. But that doesn't mean he wasn't a great man, because he was that. He stepped up to the plate at a pivotal moment in world history and came through for his people at a dark time in European history. That doesn't mean he was perfect. The way he treated the Indians during the Second World War was absolutely abysmal, and he definitely made decisions that were detrimental to the Allied war effort because he was very concerned about keeping Britain's overseas colonies when everything was all said and done. But the positives vastly outweighed the negatives.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:04 pm to RollTide1987
I really think all of this bickering is irrelevant before he even puts out his podcast series. He was asked one direct question and gave all of the examples he could think of pertaining to that one direct question.
Some of you need to grow up
Some of you need to grow up
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:05 pm to doubleb
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The Holacsust was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
the atrocities we committed and shouldn’t be in the same discussion.
no argument. but you did just use the word "atrocities." because you know it's true.
i'm glad we won WW!!.
the good guys won WWII.
i'm glad we won the Cold War.
the good guys won the Cold War.
Putin is a terrible dictator.
I hope Ukraine wins and expels Russia.
Palestine is an ungovernable people and committed a great atrocity on 10/7
but also...
WWII was entirely avoidable on several fronts from both the US and UK front.
We committed unbearable atrocities with the nuclear bomb and fire bombing of cities.
the cold war gave rise to the military industrial complex and rise of Neocon behavior that lead to modern day colonialism and a waste of trillions of dollars towards it.
NATO and the west did an untold amount of things that caused Putin to unnecessarily invade Ukraine due to feeling that an organization created to stop something that no longer exists was exclusively moving against him.
Zelenzky is a fraud and continues to ask for money from the west instead of working toward an end that leads to the loss of less life.
Palestine and their people have been an thorn in the side and destabilizing force of the entire ME for half a century, which is why Egypt/Iran/Etc. and no other country will take their citizens or work towards a peaceful solution.
Israel has created great atrocities towards the Palestinian people and taken unlawful land since 1948 borders with no accomodations.
I can believe all of the above. the former is welcome in polite society and the second half would make me a pariah in most of polite society.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:05 pm to RollTide1987
Just finished the video, very interesting discussion. History, like men is flawed.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:08 pm to 3nOut
Wow we have a regular David Duke posting here
But seriously what a great post, and I agree with it entirely. The only people who don’t want to discuss all sides of issues are the ones who want to have cover for their pet tyrants to have unchecked power.
But seriously what a great post, and I agree with it entirely. The only people who don’t want to discuss all sides of issues are the ones who want to have cover for their pet tyrants to have unchecked power.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:08 pm to OBReb6
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What y’all can’t seem to grasp is that he made all of these responses to a direct question of why does he think Churchill doesn’t deserve the immaculate reputation he has among the mainstream public opinion.
He gave a concentrated response to that single topic.
No one thinks Churchill has an "immaculate reputation". That's another in a long string of straw men you guys keep defeating.
He also called Churchill a chief villain or the chief villain of WW2. That's quite a leap from pointing out that Churchill wasn't a saint. It's also absurd.
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He consistently approaches a topic and shares as many facts and context events from both sides as he can to attempt to paint a complete picture.
Not in this particular case. He's gotten so much wrong or just misrepresented events to the point that he should have lost any credibility he once may have had.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:09 pm to OBReb6
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What if we had been under invasion from two sides while we had all of the Japanese in concentration camps? What if the military decided it would be easier to kill them all instead of waste food on them?
I love how we are now beginning to justify the systematic murder of six million Jews and five million other undesirables.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:10 pm to RollTide1987
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I love how we are now beginning to justify the systematic murder of six million Jews and five million other undesirables.
Or I was just making a hyperbolic response to someone who made a shallow point. But go ahead and continue addressing low hanging fruit rather than anything else I’ve said
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:10 pm to OBReb6
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He was asked one direct question and gave all of the examples he could think of pertaining to that one direct question.
And he did so while giving the audience an abysmal history lesson that they will take as gospel because Tucker Carlson loves the guy and wouldn't dare steer his audience members in the wrong direction.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:11 pm to RollTide1987
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love how we are now beginning to justify the systematic murder of six million Jews and five million other undesirables.
Nobody is justifying that. But Stalin did kill more
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:12 pm to JoeHackett
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Not in this particular case. He's gotten so much wrong or just misrepresented events to the point that he should have lost any credibility he once may have had.
He. Hasn’t. Made. His. Series. Yet.
He was asked ONE question on ONE podcast
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:13 pm to RollTide1987
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abysmal history lesson
Or he said something you don’t agree with.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:15 pm to OBReb6
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What if we had been under invasion from two sides while we had all of the Japanese in concentration camps? What if the military decided it would be easier to kill them all instead of waste food on them?
We didn’t commit nearly the atrocities because we weren’t in a position that we felt we had to
"Under invasion"? WTF? Is that how you interpret the events of a war started by Hitler? He just magically found himself "under invasion". He started a war and knew from the beginning he was going to starve POWs and Jews. He was putting Jews in concentration camps in Poland in 1939. He didn't start starving and executing people when he felt his back against the wall.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:16 pm to OBReb6
According to the OT Ukraine bros this is a pro nazi thread and chicken should delete it.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:17 pm to texag7
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According to the OT
A majority of them still wear masks and will vote for Kamala.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:18 pm to OBReb6
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But go ahead and continue addressing low hanging fruit rather than anything else I’ve said
Well, for one, we interned 120,000 Japanese-Americans in camps during the Second World War while the number of Jews and other "undesirables" interned in their concentration camp ran into the tens of millions. So there is no comparison to be had there. Not only that, but there were quite a few differences between our internment camps and their concentration camps. Just to name two:
- Japanese-Americans who pledged loyalty to the United States and renounced all ties to Japan were allowed to petition to leave the internment camps with most requests being accepted .
- A good many young Japanese-Americans initially interned in those camps ended up loyally serving the United States during the Second World War.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:20 pm to RollTide1987
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I love how we are now beginning to justify the systematic murder of six million Jews and five million other undesirables.
nobody in this thread denies it happened OR justifies it. it is one of the most horrible things that happened in human existence. full stop.
saying " there were circumstances beyond 'Hitler hated the jews and wanted to kill them all systematically' " should not negate my last sentence.
again... mid-wits.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:21 pm to JoeHackett
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"Under invasion"? WTF? Is that how you interpret the events of a war started by Hitler? He just magically found himself "under invasion". He started a war and knew from the beginning he was going to starve POWs and Jews. He was putting Jews in concentration camps in Poland in 1939. He didn't start starving and executing people when he felt his back against the wall.
Holy shite dude way to completely miss the point
If we are gonna go down this road, why did America refuse to take the Jewish refugees? Why did the UK refuse to take them?
This entire reasoning is pure hindsight. We didn’t join to war to save the Jews. You know that, right?
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:21 pm to SouthernHog
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Or he said something you don’t agree with.
This isn't about agreeing or disagreeing; this is about ignoring historical facts and inventing your own truths to suit an agenda. Anyone with basic knowledge of the Second World War will realize this guy is full of shite. Unfortunately, there aren't too many (especially Americans) who have that basic knowledge in the 21st century. The Hawk Tuah girl (who now has a podcast with hundreds of thousands of listeners) was on Bill Maher's podcast a few weeks ago and wasn't even sure what century the First World War took place in.
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