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re: The Texas power grid crashed because wind farms have failed completely
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:26 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:26 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Sorry, But designing for arctic conditions in south Texas is neither economic, nor smart. No industry does it. I wonder how much of the O&G production is off due to the cold
I read that preparing the turbines for artic temps is a "package" that wasn't added due to coast but WTF do you think they're gonna do now after what happened? Wanna guess?
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:29 pm to RD Dawg
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WTF do you think they're gonna do now after what happened?
Absolutely nothing is the answer. Losing gen capabilities for a couple days when your modeled for 25 years isn’t exactly a good business decision. The developers know this happens. It’s all in the production models.
As an example, I know a guy who does solar production modeling. His algorithm looks at the tilt of the modules and the friction coefficient and uses snow accumulation in a Typical meteorological year and determines the time to clear and builds that zero production isn’t the system modeling.
Wind developers do the same for icing.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:32 pm to Strannix
Who knew propellers froze in the winter? I guess no windmill engineers had ever been at an airport in the winter and saw all the de-icing that goes on.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:33 pm to CDawson
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Leftist filth doesn't care, especially as long as those private jets keep firing up.
"Think about the CHILDREN!!!" Reeeeeeeeee
You guys need to be more consistent in your messaging.
There are cost/benefit calculations that go into every engineering decision. Sometimes lives are affected. If the state needs more production during extreme cold events, the state needs to mandate that.
I forget, are we for or against Government over reach? This is all so confusing.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:37 pm to Strannix
HYDROCARBON POWER will be the backbone of energy forever!
Treehuggers need to get over it! OIL and GAS is good for this country!
Treehuggers need to get over it! OIL and GAS is good for this country!
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:39 pm to billjamin
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Absolutely nothing is the answer.
You are bat shite crazy if you think "nathing" happens.Its already a political firestorm with Gov Abbott
calling for investigations.
There will either be much tighter regulations on renewables or other legislation insuring Texas has the ablilty to insure NG reserves without DOE interference.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:44 pm to Ailsa
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:44 pm to RD Dawg
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You are bat shite crazy if you think "nathing" happens.Its already a political firestorm with Gov Abbott
calling for investigations.
There will either be much tighter regulations on renewables or other legislation insuring Texas has the ablilty to insure NG reserves without DOE interference.
Texas should decide what they need, without FedGov intervention. If they have failed in this, it is on them.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:45 pm to RD Dawg
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You are bat shite crazy if you think "nathing" happens.Its already a political firestorm with Gov Abbott calling for investigations. There will either be much tighter regulations on renewables or other legislation insuring Texas has the ablilty to insure NG reserves without DOE interference.
they aren’t going to make existing units retrofit. And I highly doubt they increase regulation and force de-icing on the gen unit type that’s only responsible for 1/8th of the lost generation. The investigation will show that everyone with 3 brain cells knew about it except the morons who the governor appoints to sit on these commissions and that maybe they should listen to the professionals and start looking at the simulation modeling to understand when this happens and plan accordingly. And it will also show that the midstream is painfully underprepared for an event like this.
ETA NG reserves aren’t the issue, it’s that they can’t move it because the midstream is frozen right now.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:47 pm to billjamin
If Texas generates zero percent of its electricity from wind sources, you would still have local outages all over the state.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:51 pm to GeorgeWest
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If Texas generates zero percent of its electricity from wind sources, you would still have local outages all over the state.
Funny story. My wife’s family’s places up around Abilene, that are surrounded by wind turbines (many of which are still turning) haven’t lost power. Yet in Houston, where I have to drive a couple hundred miles to find a wind farm, I have no power. Yeah yeah correlation not causation I know.
The numbers I saw yesterday and are probably a little outdated was 4GW of wind down and 26 GW of NG down. I don’t have a number on how much is intentionally down for maintenance but it’s usually a lot this time of year.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:52 pm to Strannix
It's almost like Texas was advised to winterize this stuff in 2011 and just went, "nah, who cares".
Also the issue, per the people run the Texas grid, is that coal and gas powered facilities froze up.
LINK
Still, keep blaming wind and solar for big energy and the state of Texas not having it's shite together.
Also the issue, per the people run the Texas grid, is that coal and gas powered facilities froze up.
LINK
Still, keep blaming wind and solar for big energy and the state of Texas not having it's shite together.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:54 pm to GeorgeWest
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If Texas generates zero percent of its electricity from wind sources, you would still have local outages all over the state.
Reeeee!!!! We must upgrade everything, before we even know what the source of the problem is!
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:55 pm to Strannix
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The Texas power grid crashed because wind farms have failed completely
That is not really the case. Wind is 23% of the power on a "normal" day. We (Texas) have the ability to produce enough electricity without them. We were held hostage on bumping up production because of federal regulations. We literally had to ask for and wait to receive permission to increase the natural gas and coal-fired plant output.
We are catching up with the need now that the big bullies in DC have given us permission to produce power.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:57 pm to Meauxjeaux
China is massively expanding its weather-modification program, saying it will be able to cover half the country in artificial rain and snow by 2025
Since they already have access to our grid here in TX, are they doing this here?
https://archive.vn/52g8x
Since they already have access to our grid here in TX, are they doing this here?
https://archive.vn/52g8x
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:58 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Wind is 23% of the power on a "normal" day
I think it’s 23% max but more like 17% restricted/actual. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. Not nick picking because I’d like to know if I’m mistaken.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:58 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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We were held hostage on bumping up production because of federal regulations. We literally had to ask for and wait to receive permission to increase the natural gas and coal-fired plant output.
I didn't know fed regs froze wellheads and midstream pumps and processing plants???
Are you going to post this bullshite in anymore threads?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:00 pm to Ailsa
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Ailsa
When is ole jimmyjames whatever going to come and call out this obvious bot that posts the same bullshite over and over?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:02 pm to billjamin
According to ERCOT graph in WSJ article, wind is less than 10% of Texas winter electricity.
LINK to WSJ
LINK to WSJ
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:03 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Sorry, But designing for arctic conditions in south Texas is neither economic, nor smart
Reality says otherwise.
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