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re: The Texas power grid crashed because wind farms have failed completely
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:03 pm to Ailsa
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:03 pm to Ailsa
If they have access to the grid why would they need to use an unproven and probably unready weather modification system to shut it down?
Also, the issue is not precipitation but a rapid temperature drop, that was known about for a couple of weeks. I'm here in Dallas, we haven't had much snow or ice dumped on us, humidity is very low. The problem isn't what you're alleging.
ETA: skimmed the article. Cloud seeding is real, it was invented in the US, and it's not what's happening in Texas.
Also, the issue is not precipitation but a rapid temperature drop, that was known about for a couple of weeks. I'm here in Dallas, we haven't had much snow or ice dumped on us, humidity is very low. The problem isn't what you're alleging.
ETA: skimmed the article. Cloud seeding is real, it was invented in the US, and it's not what's happening in Texas.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 3:07 pm
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:11 pm to cwill
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I didn't know fed regs froze wellheads and midstream pumps and processing plants???
Did the regs freeze them? No dumb arse the regs forced Texas to become more dependent on unicorn farts and rainbow refraction (wind and solar) which is the #1 contributor. Closely behind that is the fact we can't even use our coal and natural gas plants at full capacity without the regulators granting an exception because it goes outside of some magical pollution limitation they set. Meanwhile, China, India, and other shitholes continue to belch whatever they want into the environment.
Hopefully, that breaks it down enough for you pea brain.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:19 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
Wind is very economical in parts of the state. No reason not to have them. Yeah lose power for a week once every 50 years due to them... I’ll take that!
Posted on 2/16/21 at 5:18 pm to billjamin
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Absolutely nothing is the answer. Losing gen capabilities for a couple days when your modeled for 25 years isn’t exactly a good business decision. The developers know this happens. It’s all in the production models.
As an example, I know a guy who does solar production modeling. His algorithm looks at the tilt of the modules and the friction coefficient and uses snow accumulation in a Typical meteorological year and determines the time to clear and builds that zero production isn’t the system modeling.
Wind developers do the same for icing.
But if it saves one life........
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:28 pm to Strannix
quote:Biden has let us all down.
And people are dying
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:33 pm to C
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Wind is very economical in parts of the state. No reason not to have them. Yeah lose power for a week once every 50 years due to them... I’ll take that!
Wind/solar is very uneconomic, its actually horrible ROI unless the ROI involves government handouts.
Where do you people come from?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:42 pm to moneyg
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Is weatherproofing Wind turbines really not economically feasible?
It definitely is in illinois or iowa where they seem to manage no problem.
My guess is texas said "how cold could it possibly get??!" and cut those corners.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:42 pm to Strannix
Coal.
Petroleum.
Nuclear.
Three trigger words for progressives.
Three words that are a long term solution to energy needs.
Petroleum.
Nuclear.
Three trigger words for progressives.
Three words that are a long term solution to energy needs.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:43 pm to Strannix
Texas has chosen to have its own, independent grid. They shouldn't be bailed out by the feds and m tax dollars. Incompetent governor!
Posted on 2/16/21 at 6:44 pm to C
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Wind is very economical in parts of the state. No reason not to have them. Yeah lose power for a week once every 50 years due to them... I’ll take that!
TX has had 16 major ice storms oyer the las 52 years, plus all the annual storm events with winds high enough to shut down wind production.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:02 pm to Strannix
I live in Dallas, I get my energy from a company that uses 100% wind energy, I have not lost power at all.
So maybe you have no idea wtf you’re talking about and these power issues have nothing to do with wind turbines freezing and more to do with shitty government management of the grid
So maybe you have no idea wtf you’re talking about and these power issues have nothing to do with wind turbines freezing and more to do with shitty government management of the grid
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:14 pm to Tiger1242
No you don’t ...stop.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:16 pm to Tiger1242
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I live in Dallas, I get my energy from a company that uses 100% wind energy, I have not lost power at all.
So maybe you have no idea wtf you’re talking about and these power issues have nothing to do with wind turbines freezing and more to do with shitty government management of the grid
None of this is true or the case/issue.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:28 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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No dumb arse the regs forced Texas to become more dependent on unicorn farts and rainbow refraction (wind and solar) which is the #1 contributor.
bullshite. There were incentives that has resulted in maybe 20%, at max, wind gen. You just want it to be that to make some stupid texit point.
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Closely behind that is the fact we can't even use our coal and natural gas plants at full capacity without the regulators granting an exception because it goes outside of some magical pollution limitation they set.
The request was granted but guess what the Nat gas source and the pipelines failed because they werent weatherized for this event. The biggest energy source failed. Maybe, just maybe losing your #1 power gen source would be the #1 contributor?
I think there is a lot of unnecessary red tape around energy, but that has nothing to do with the current situation. This is just an “act of god” event and the entire infra wasn’t prepared to handle it. Tx is not Canada and Canada landed on all of Tx.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:32 pm to EA6B
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TX has had 16 major ice storms oyer the las 52 years, plus all the annual storm events with winds high enough to shut down wind production.
Were those statewide events? I think that is the major difference.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:37 pm to Ailsa
Trump was right . We are going to miss this man as president bigly
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:40 pm to Strannix
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23% of the generation is now useless, people are dying. SAD
Liberals everywhere:
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:42 pm to Chad504boy
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Lambeau field can be heated but not wind turbines
Probably because the wind turbines don’t produce enough energy to heat themselves.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:55 pm to Concernednewguy7
Two thoughts about power availability
The gas well heads freeze off as a result of the low temperature causing hydrates to form which plugs the pipe. This can be avoided by injecting methanol to liquify the hydrate, but to set up each well for a once in 20 year occurrence will not happen
The gas turbines can run at 80 per cent capacity and meet the federal requirements for nox emission. The next 20 percent on an hourly basis violets the standard with very large fines including shut down. The fed has removed th decision from the operator
The gas well heads freeze off as a result of the low temperature causing hydrates to form which plugs the pipe. This can be avoided by injecting methanol to liquify the hydrate, but to set up each well for a once in 20 year occurrence will not happen
The gas turbines can run at 80 per cent capacity and meet the federal requirements for nox emission. The next 20 percent on an hourly basis violets the standard with very large fines including shut down. The fed has removed th decision from the operator
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:06 pm to Strannix
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23% of the generation is now useless, people are dying. SAD
This has to be the most absurd take I’ve seen on a board rife with delusional takes on what is occurring in Texas with regard to the current power generation dilemma.
- Only 7% of ERCOT’s forecasted winter capacity was due to be supplied by wind resources in the first place.
- Wind turbines are typically at their lowest capacity during these months so the 23% (total wind energy as a percent of overall yearly production category) you are speaking of doesn’t even apply in the current situation because most of that forecasted wind generation happens outside the winter months.
- Also, keep in mind that wind turbines aren’t unique to Texas and are proven to work across places all over the globe at temperatures at or below what Texas is experiencing for months. The difference is most of the the turbines used in other places have cold weather packages that allow them to run typically down to temps of -20 degrees or so. Iowa gets 36% of it’s total yearly energy from wind.
- The lack of production of natural gas has been the biggest driver of what is occurring and it has little to do with wind energy. These natural gas plants simply can’t get enough fuel to properly operate due to the harsh weather conditions.
I get that we all have our views on energy and those typically vary by party affiliation, but let’s not continue to be willfully ignorant to the actual facts just to prove our points.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 9:16 pm
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