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re: The tariff policy and rollout has been absolutely terrible. Mass confusion across industry

Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:57 pm to
Posted by olemc999
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:57 pm to
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We don't have a functioning press to ask what the legal authority for these tariffs are.


In the United States, the legal authority to impose tariffs, such as those planned for President Donald Trump’s “Liberation Day” announcement on April 2, 2025, is a shared power between Congress and the President, with the latter wielding significant delegated authority under specific statutes. Here’s a breakdown of who has the legal authority and how it applies to this situation:
Constitutional Foundation

• Congress: Under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has the sole power “to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises” and “to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations.” This makes tariffs a legislative domain at their core, meaning Congress sets the baseline framework for trade policy.
• President: While Congress holds the primary authority, it has historically delegated substantial discretion to the executive branch to adjust tariffs under certain conditions, allowing the President to act without new legislation for each change.
Key Legal Authorities for Trump’s Tariffs
Trump’s administration is likely relying on existing statutes that grant the President broad powers to impose tariffs, especially for the rapid implementation promised for April 2. Here are the main legal mechanisms:
1 Trade Expansion Act of 1962, Section 232:
? Authority: This law allows the President to impose tariffs or other trade restrictions if the Commerce Department finds that imports threaten national security. The President has wide latitude to define “national security” (e.g., economic stability, critical industries).
? Process: After an investigation (often initiated by the President), the Commerce Secretary reports findings, and the President can act within 90 days. Trump used this in 2018 for steel (25%) and aluminum (10%) tariffs, later expanded in 2025.
? Relevance: The 25% auto tariffs set for April 3 and tariffs on Venezuelan oil buyers could fall here, as could broader measures if tied to security (e.g., microchips, energy). No new congressional approval is needed, though investigations take time—suggesting some tariffs might already be in motion.
2 International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) of 1977:
? Authority: This grants the President power to regulate international commerce after declaring a national emergency “to deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat” from abroad. Tariffs can be imposed as part of such measures.
? Process: The President declares an emergency, notifies Congress, and acts. Trump invoked IEEPA in 2019 against Huawei and could stretch it for “Liberation Day” to address trade imbalances as an economic security threat.
? Relevance: Its flexibility makes it a potential tool for the immediate, sweeping tariffs promised tomorrow, bypassing slower processes. However, using IEEPA for broad trade policy is legally untested and could face court challenges as an overreach.
3 Trade Act of 1974, Section 301:
? Authority: This lets the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), under presidential direction, impose tariffs or restrictions to counter “unfair” foreign trade practices (e.g., subsidies, dumping, intellectual property theft).
? Process: The USTR investigates, negotiates, and recommends action; the President decides. Trump used this for $250 billion in China tariffs in 2018-2019.
? Relevance: Reciprocal tariffs matching other nations’ barriers (e.g., Canada’s 250% dairy tariff) could fit here, though investigations typically take months—suggesting pre-existing probes or a faster justification for April 2.
4 Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917:
? Authority: During a declared war, the President can regulate or prohibit trade, including tariffs. In peacetime, its scope narrows but overlaps with IEEPA.
? Relevance: Less likely unless Trump ties tariffs to a specific conflict (e.g., Venezuela), but it’s a historical precedent for executive trade power.
Trump’s Specific Authority
• Delegated Powers in Action: Trump’s plan likely combines these tools. The 20% blanket tariff might lean on IEEPA for speed or Section 301 if framed as retaliation for unfair practices. Targeted tariffs (e.g., autos, steel) align with Section 232’s national security rationale, already in use this year.
• Immediate Effect: White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s claim of “immediate” effect suggests reliance on pre-authorized powers (like IEEPA) or completed Section 232/301 processes, as new legislation or lengthy probes wouldn’t allow instant action.
• Flexibility: Trump’s history—adjusting tariffs after threats (e.g., Mexico, 2019)—shows he uses these powers as leverage, tweaking rates or exemptions without congressional input.
Congressional Role and Limits
• Oversight: Congress could theoretically repeal or amend these delegated powers (e.g., via the proposed TRADE Act of 2025, which would claw back some authority), but this requires majorities in both chambers and likely a veto override—unlikely with current partisan divides.
• Challenges: Lawmakers can criticize or sue (as with 2018 steel tariffs), but courts have historically upheld presidential tariff actions under these statutes, deferring to executive discretion (e.g., Fed. Energy Admin. v. Algonquin SNG, 1976).
Practical Authority for April 2
• Trump’s Control: As of now, Trump holds the legal reins through these laws, needing only internal sign-off (e.g., Commerce Secretary, USTR) for most actions. Tomorrow’s announcement will clarify which statutes are invoked, but his team’s confidence suggests they’ve lined up justifications—likely a mix of Section 232 for industry-specific tariffs and IEEPA or Section 301 for broader ones.
• Checks: Legal challenges from affected industries or countries could arise (e.g., WTO disputes or U.S. lawsuits), but these take time and rarely halt initial implementation.
In short, Trump has the legal authority to enact these tariffs under delegated powers from Congress, with the specifics of “Liberation Day” resting on how he wields Section 232, IEEPA, and/or Section 301. Congress could push back, but for now, the President’s pen drives the policy.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11361 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:58 pm to
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The tariff policy, and any economic volatility incurred by it, would be easier to tolerate if there was a clear understanding of what policy goal it's meant to achieve. And as of now, the only clearly-stated policy goal is that Trump really does want to annex Canada?


Oh look, the liberals and TDS conservatives are teaming up again to pretend that they do not know things. The want you to think that Trump is erratic and hasn't been talking about strengthening America through increased production and fair trade deals.

I don't think many are going to fall for their feigned ignorance, though, because Trump has been saying the same things about this for years.
Posted by FLTech
he/won
Member since Sep 2017
28223 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:59 pm to
You do realize that it has been planned for weeks that April 2nd (which is tomorrow) at 3:00pm trump has a planned press conference that’s going to go over everything

Did you know about this press conference? I have known about it for at lease 2 weeks

I would think (or at least hope) that someone in your organization knew about this huge press conference tomorrow at 3pm right?
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 8:01 pm
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21240 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:02 pm to
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Well hopefully the chaos stops soon because he isn't helping anything


Pussyman knows everything
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36328 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:05 pm to
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Mass confusion


Most people are idiots.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:06 pm to
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You do realize that it has been planned for weeks that April 2nd (which is tomorrow) at 3:00pm trump has a planned press conference that’s going to go over everything



You think a presser, on the date the tariffs go into effect, leaves plenty of time for businesses to figure out their best path forward...


Insanity.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21240 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:07 pm to
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Mass confusion




Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85657 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:07 pm to
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You do realize that it has been planned for weeks that April 2nd (which is tomorrow) at 3:00pm trump has a planned press conference that’s going to go over everything

Did you know about this press conference? I have known about it for at lease 2 weeks

I would think (or at least hope) that someone in your organization knew about this huge press conference tomorrow at 3pm right?


we’re going to reorganize the global economy in… TWO WEEKS!
Posted by tiger789
on the bayou
Member since Dec 2008
2506 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:08 pm to
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Why? All evidence points to him making everything up as he goes and having zero plan or foresight












Posted by onepiecemayne
Member since Nov 2023
1225 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:08 pm to
Trump supporters voted for this. Why are y'all complaining?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173716 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:09 pm to
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we’re going to reorganize the global economy in… TWO WEEKS!

Yeah if it seems wild and irrational it's because it is
Posted by FLTech
he/won
Member since Sep 2017
28223 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:14 pm to
Yea.. he’s going to close all of our accounts and put every small business in America out of business because of it. Give me a fricking break
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
15762 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:29 pm to
I understand, but the plan may be as simple as - let's see how they respond to the tariff notion and we will settle in once we know. Is akin to saying - we won't use military force. Why say that? Let them know it has been considered and is an option.

We have been bent over by so many for so long that his approach is novel for many and it is being done in public
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
10674 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:38 pm to
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I appreciate all our Moderates who ignored the inflation we experienced over the past 4 years, but are now deeply concerned about the repercussions of a tariff war we have the upper hand in.



looks they do not appreciate being called out
Posted by bengalman
In da Country
Member since Feb 2007
4134 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:41 pm to
Find a way to make it work and continue business as best as possible. Rocky roads will smooth out in time. Time for them to pay!
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
13053 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:43 pm to
Go back to your handlers…
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
15730 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:45 pm to
This is a feature not a bug - Trump and his team knows what they are doing - chill
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
20882 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:49 pm to
There has been a slow burn of terrible policies and bloat and inefficiency for decades. Ripping the bandages off is going to sting at first. But then the healing can begin.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61402 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 9:30 pm to
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Trump and his team knows what they are doing

Why do you think this? This is a genuine question.
Posted by LatinTiger30
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
4822 posts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 9:40 pm to
Poorly communicated and it's going to cost the Republicans BIGLY!

Trump is on the cusp of greatness, but he's going to screw it up because of his big mouth!!!
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