re: The Shooting of Michael Brown: Focus on the Police State; NOT racism

ah ok. i have heard both, which is why i was curious

i've heard it's a lot cheaper to leave, blow up, and make more than to ship back stateside

Is the race issue being brought up because the Kid was killed and people saying if he were white he would not have been killed and it's the police themselves who are racist?
Or is it that people are saying this cop is a racist? I'm yet to see anything that would prove this cop has a deep seated hatred with the black race.
To me, and it's just my thought,this is tragic,an seen to often. And I think there are a lot of reasons Blacks tend to be the victims more often than not. If people looking to blame, there would be plenty to go around. And until all the problems are admitted and addressed these things will continue.
It's a shame that the millions of dollars the police spend on these great weapons arnt spent in the communities.
God bless this kids family and this Cop and his family. It's a sad event.

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Opportunity wasted.
Moral high ground ceded back to the police state.

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Rachel Lippmann @rlippmann

No one is even trying to control the crowd anymore. #MichaelBrown

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Roslynn Kemp @AmethystRos

@rlippmann Because the whole crowd is avenging Michael Brown's killing and they are demanding justice for him and his family.

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sound logic

Note: the initial tweet is about looting businesses that have nothing to do with anything.

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Blame the victim - its the right wing way!

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you're dealing with an irrational, violent actor (the police). don't give them a reason to act irrational or violent

it's life advice. it's not blaming anyone

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Its good to see you're keeping the focus on what is most important (denying that racism exists).

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as i've shown in this thread, even if we assume that pervasive racism exists, the police state still matters more

if we remove racism, the police state still fricks us all

if we remove the police state, the police won't have any power to be racist

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Dude are you white? If so I wouldn't really worry.

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that's not true at all. white people are killed by overzealous police, too

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The cops aren't going to shoot an unarmed white guy in the back as he runs - and you fricking know it.

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i posted a story in this very thread that disproves you. the police state does not care about race, gender, creed, or ethnicity

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So do you disagree with armed bystanders intervening in an armed robbery?

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if you want to risk your life, then go ahead. just know you're making an exceptionally dangerous decision

...just like resisting or running from the cops

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if you're a white guy with a little cash and you get busted with drugs - you can utilize what amounts to a legalized system of bribery by paying for "pre-trial" diversion. Generally this system requires both the money and the DA and/or cops agreeing to it. If you're poor and black you'll satisfy neither of those conditions, and you'll go to prison for the same drug charge and get a stain on your record that will make it difficult to obtain employment for years to come.

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i do criminal defense in 3 urban areas of SLA and while your lecture was fun, it is slanted and wrong

PTD is offered to most everyone their fist go around, as long as it isn't violent, a felony, or a DWI. also there are seasonal crackdowns...sometimes it's domestic violence...sometimes it's weed. just depends.

the cop will have very little, if any, input, unless it involves violence towards the cop

and yes, it costs, but so does probation.

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and you'll go to prison for the same drug charge

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wut?

you obviously have NO idea what you're talking about. nobody goes to prison for a first offense possession

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So do you disagree with armed bystanders intervening in an armed robbery?


if you want to risk your life, then go ahead.

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You're potentially risking the lives of every other bystander. You're also potentially saving the lives of every other bystander. Trouble is its kinda hard to tell which is which without hindsight.

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i do criminal defense in 3 urban areas of SLA and while your lecture was fun, it is slanted and wrong

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THey don't have legalized bribery in every place in the U.S. They do in Madison County Mississippi.
Let me tell you how it works in Madison COunty Mississippi:

1) The cops must initially book you with simple possession. If they book you with intent - no pre-trial, its over.

2) Your defense attorney (who will actually make out better than anyone) must be able to schmooze the DA. "This is a good kid, Bob! You've got to allow pre-trial! He'll straighten up! Now let's go play golf together!" He will also need to schmooze the pre-trial intervention officer (whose kid's soccer league the defense attorney always donates to every year, of course).

3) Once you are accepted, you will pay $2,000 to the pre-trial intervention officer. The program works as thus

a) You will be subject to weekly drug tests at our discretion

b) You will call us every Tuesday morning. If we don't answer, leave a message

c) This can last up to a year.

4) Then for nearly a year, they will not drug test you - ever - and they will not answer the phone on the weekly call in - ever. For all you know, the pre-trial intervention officer is at the North Pole saving polar bears.

5) The "intervention" - which would in no way shape or form do anything to actually help anyone with serious drug problems - ends and you get your record wiped save for a "flag" that only a judge can unseal. Your expensive attorney will even advise you that you can legally claim to have never been arrested!

6) Don't have $2,000? Don't have a good defense attorney? Did you look at the cop the wrong way and he booked you with intent? frick YOU. You go to prison. Or maybe if you're lucky probation and a shite stain on your record.

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PTD is offered to most everyone their fist go around,

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You can't play if you can't pay Its a straight up criminalization of poverty.

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the cop will have very little, if any, input, unless it involves violence towards the cop

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Not in Madison County Mississippi, where you expensive defense attorney (who will try to milk you for another grand when it comes time to expunge the arrest even though the contract clearly states that comes with the package) will say that the cop "did you a solid" by booking you with simple possession.

I do NOT care what anyone says, there is no reason for the looting and violence. There are far too many that use any excuse to steal and or riot. The storeowners and property owners had nothing to do with what happened here. The ones doing this deserved to be Bull Connored.

Not saying I would agree with it, but it would make more sense to march on police HQ and raise hell, at least you could understand the reasoning behind it.