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re: The Shooting of Michael Brown: Focus on the Police State; NOT racism
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:14 pm to the808bass
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:14 pm to the808bass
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I can think of 5 or so non-blacks who were unarmed and shot by cops this year.
"We don't have time for this"
it happens to white people, too
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Trying to say that the problems black people have with the police are same as the problems you have with the police is ignorant at best and racist at worst. It is saying - you don't have it that bad, we all have it that bad.
We don't all have it that bad.
The police state and how awful it has become is worthy of discussion. But blacks have their own beef with it.
We don't all have it that bad.
The police state and how awful it has become is worthy of discussion. But blacks have their own beef with it.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:43 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Trying to say that the problems black people have with the police are same as the problems you have with the police is ignorant at best and racist at worst. It is saying - you don't have it that bad, we all have it that bad.
If you don't want white people signing up to try to stop police abuse of power, continue with this attitude.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:44 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Trying to say that the problems black people have with the police are same as the problems you have with the police is ignorant at best and racist at worst.
where did i say that?
we all have problems with the police state
what happened last night is a sign of the police state, not racism. the discussion should be on the police state, not racism
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:46 pm to Tigah in the ATL
I don't even know what to say. Must all races be affected equally? Damn.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:46 pm to the808bass
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If you don't want white people signing up to try to stop police abuse of power, continue with this attitude.
that's actually a very good point
trying to "claim" police oppression for your race is ridiculous from many angles. if you want to create the aura of being martyrs, rejecting any other discussion or attempts to fix the problem by "others', then not only are you insane, but you're racist as shite
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:49 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Trying to say that the problems black people have with the police are same as the problems you have with the police is ignorant at best and racist at worst. It is saying - you don't have it that bad, we all have it that bad.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
This should scare the shite out of everybody...
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:51 pm to Sentrius
His hat is on backwards.
Guilty.
Guilty.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what happened last night is a sign of the police state, not racism. the discussion should be on the police state, not racism
I just don't think its as much of an "either" "or" thing as you are making it seem. I do think police brutality is at the forefront here, but I also am not sure why you are so confident race has nothing to do with this.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:56 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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but I also am not sure why you are so confident race has nothing to do with this.
honestly that would require the cop to say, "this kid is running away AND he's black, i am going to kill him for being black"
this opposed to the much more common, "i don't feel like dealing with this and he's 'resisting', so i'm going to use lethal force" scenario
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:56 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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ut I also am not sure why you are so confident race has nothing to do with this.
I don't think race is unrelated to it. But if it's made into the only issue with respect to the case, it's a lot easier for the majority of people in the country to tune it out. It's "not their problem" in their mind. In reality, it's all our problem.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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honestly that would require the cop to say, "this kid is running away AND he's black, i am going to kill him for being black"
I disagree. All it would take is the belief (whether subconscious or conscious) that this black person is more dangerous and as a police officer he needs to act accordingly to prevent him or his fellow officers from being harmed.
And so on, and so forth etc etc
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this opposed to the much more common, "i don't feel like dealing with this and he's 'resisting', so i'm going to use lethal force" scenario
Again, you're dichotomizing something that has many shades of grey. Your two examples aren't mutually exclusive.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:02 pm to onmymedicalgrind
i think the shooting had almost 0% chance of being about race. i think the stop had almost 0% chance of not having race as a variable
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:03 pm to the808bass
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But if it's made into the only issue with respect to the case, it's a lot easier for the majority of people in the country to tune it out.
I totally agree. Which is why I disagree with the premise of this thread that this is either one or the other. I believe this being a merely racial issue is a huge mistake, and I also don't think this is all about the police state. I know that the racial angle will likely get more coverage since that is how things are in 2014 America, which is sad. But I disagree with SFP that race played no part here. Again, this is going off of the limited info we have at this time.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:04 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Again, you're dichotomizing something that has many shades of grey. Your two examples aren't mutually exclusive.
Slo only deals in absolutes.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think the shooting had almost 0% chance of being about race. i think the stop had almost 0% chance of not having race as a variable
So at the end of the day, you do believe race played a part in this young man's death, no?
No stop = no shooting = teenager still alive today
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:06 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Which is why I disagree with the premise of this thread that this is either one or the other.
it's not that it's one or the other, but only one aspect is truly worthy of discussion and focusing on the other (racism) is worse than worthless, as it puts the focus on the secondary issue
if we remove the police state, whatever racism exist won't have nearly the same impact on minorities
if we remove racism, the police state still oppresses all of us in a terrible, terrible way
the national news is going to focus on racism at what clip? 95-99% of the stories about either will focus on racism?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:08 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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No stop = no shooting = teenager still alive today
Are you saying it was a bad stop ?? I haven't read that anywhere but i may have missed it. The subsequent trying to run away and the shooting shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not the stop was valid
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:08 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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So at the end of the day, you do believe race played a part in this young man's death, no?
i believe the cop pulled the trigger for reasons that were not about race. i could be wrong, but i doubt i am
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No stop = no shooting = teenager still alive today
the teen running was the biggest variable in why he got shot. like i said in the OP, don't give them a reason
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