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Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:53 am to Mouth
quote:how does that imply:
gushing out of the left side of his neck
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entry wound was coming from right to left also.
I've only watched the video once - and don't intend to review again.
I don't know what you are trying to imply with the 'right vs left' remark.
Who's "right/left"? from shooters perspective? - or Kirk's ?
All I know is my first impression was that the bullet went thru cleanly - I do not recall much of an exchange of momentum from the bullet to his body - only a puncture.
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 11:55 am
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:55 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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How about you explain the question for us non-twitter users. I can't see that video whether I click on it or not.
It’s a 30-06 vs ballistics gel head shot. There is nothing left.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:05 pm to GumboPot
Well, that is irrelevant for several reasons.
Heads react more violently to fast impacts than any other body part because they are the only part of the body with a hard shell full of mushy stuff.
Mr Kirk was not hit in the head. He was hit in the neck. The neck is nothing like the head. The neck is a solid chunk of muscle, ligaments and bone with some narrow holes in it. By design, your head is extremely firmly attached to your body.
Even if he was, there would not be "nothing left." Gel heads usually don't have skin on them, and skin is extremely elastic and tough. You can have total internal destruction and very little externally visible damage from a GSW, even to the head, with a rifle.
Heads react more violently to fast impacts than any other body part because they are the only part of the body with a hard shell full of mushy stuff.
Mr Kirk was not hit in the head. He was hit in the neck. The neck is nothing like the head. The neck is a solid chunk of muscle, ligaments and bone with some narrow holes in it. By design, your head is extremely firmly attached to your body.
Even if he was, there would not be "nothing left." Gel heads usually don't have skin on them, and skin is extremely elastic and tough. You can have total internal destruction and very little externally visible damage from a GSW, even to the head, with a rifle.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:11 pm to GumboPot
I don’t understand why everyone is so obsessed with this, and I’m not watching the video again, but it was clearly an upper chest hit from the shock you could see in the video. It makes sense that he was wearing some type of thin protective plate, and a fragment (or the whole bullet) exited his neck , unfortunately cutting the carotid artery.
If you have any experience shooting you would know that a direct hit from Kirk’s left would have blown a baseball sized hole out on exit. The bullet definitely would not be lodged in a human spine, especially from a 30.06.
If you have any experience shooting you would know that a direct hit from Kirk’s left would have blown a baseball sized hole out on exit. The bullet definitely would not be lodged in a human spine, especially from a 30.06.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:14 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Who's "right/left"? from shooters perspective? - or Kirk's ?
I think OP was thinking the wound to the left side of Charlie's neck was an exit wound. If that were the case, it would imply an entry from his right. That was my initial confusion as well.
It makes more sense that the neck would be the entry wound based on the shooter's position, but the wound seemed to be further back on the side of Charlie's neck, which does not completely make sense as an entry wound.
I don't think anybody is implying a conspiracy of second or third shooters, just trying to make sense of what actually happened.
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:16 pm to SCwTiger
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on’t understand why everyone is so obsessed with this
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it was clearly an upper chest hit from the shock you could see in the video. It makes sense that he was wearing some type of thin protective plate, and a fragment (or the whole bullet) exited his neck , unfortunately cutting the carotid artery.
If you have any experience shooting you would know that a direct hit from Kirk’s left would have blown a baseball sized hole out on exit.
Because people keep saying stuff like this, which is all incorrect.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:17 pm to Mouth
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y'all can stop downvoting.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:28 pm to Indefatigable
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People always want a deeper story/conspiracy when anything happens now.
or an exit wound from a 30-06
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:30 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:I heard about the screwdriver, too, that along with once he appeared on the roof he squatted down for 5 minutes out of camera range and then appeared with the rifle in his hands.
There was a screwdriver found at the scene of the shooting, with the killer's DNA. Beyond that, there is only speculation as to whether the gun was assembled before, or disassembled after.
It's possible he had the rifle taken out of the stock in order to get there unnoticed, but the rifle was definitely in his hands wrapped in a towel when he got off the roof and headed to nearby woods to ditch it.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:33 pm to SCwTiger
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It makes sense that he was wearing some type of thin protective plate, and a fragment (or the whole bullet) exited his neck , unfortunately cutting the carotid artery.
If you have any experience shooting you would know that a direct hit from Kirk’s left would have blown a baseball sized hole out on exit. The bullet definitely would not be lodged in a human spine, especially from a 30.06.
Only thing that makes sense but I have seen photos where it does not look like he's wearing a vest
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:34 pm to Nurbis
It’s not a static target, Kirk was moving around, speaking and turning his head.
This is the same argument suggesting how it’s possible trump got hit in the ear.
This is the same argument suggesting how it’s possible trump got hit in the ear.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:35 pm to Schleynole
How do you know there was not an exit wound?
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:36 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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How do you know there was not an exit wound?
We would see it. Couldn't hide it
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:45 pm to Schleynole
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would see it
Is there a high quality camera angle from Kirk's 3-6 o clock?
I'll skip the back and forth. The only way you'd know there wasn't an exit would be if you had the autopsy report.
How do yall know the shooter wasn't using a solid?
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:55 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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there a high quality camera angle from Kirk's 3-6 o clock?
You would see the evidence behind him
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How do yall know the shooter wasn't using a solid?
He may have but that's a big entry would if so.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 1:02 pm to Schleynole
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You would see the evidence behind him
Short of him having his back firmly against a solid white sheet this isn't necessarily the case.
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He may have but that's a big entry would if so.
The big red spot with a gallon of blood pouring out of it? It could be 0.308" or it could be 1" there's no way to tell from the video.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 1:07 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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You can have total internal destruction and very little externally visible damage from a GSW,
People forget about the cavitation damage that occurs to non visible tissues:
1:29 shows internal tissue damage on a ballistic gel torso.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 1:12 pm to Kcrad
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It's possible he had the rifle taken out of the stock in order to get there unnoticed, but the rifle was definitely in his hands wrapped in a towel when he got off the roof and headed to nearby woods to ditch it.
Agree, that's what it looks like based on the video. I just haven't seen that confirmed in a report yet.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 1:16 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Short of him having his back firmly against a solid white sheet this isn't necessarily the case.
I've never shot a person so I'm basing all this on shooting animals so I could be full of sh*t but shooting someone in the neck with a high powered rifle would leave a pretty big exit wound and would have been evident in the video.
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The big red spot with a gallon of blood pouring out of it? It could be 0.308" or it could be 1" there's no way to tell from the video.
Correct I don't know but I watched a video where the guy said our skin is more elastic and our skin basically hides the entry wound or it would be much smaller. I'm not pretending I know one way or the other. It looks like it ricocheted off body armor to me and if it didn't it is curious where the exit wound is
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