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The real issue with Ivy League Schools no one talks about
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:24 pm
Is quite simply the amount of students they let in
Using Harvard as an example - they have a 53 billion dollar endowment now compared to in 1990 having an endowment of less than 5 billion
Yet they still don't admit any more students. The same can be said for all Ivy League schools to some extent. Their undergrad enrollments should have scaled up over the years but they haven't. They're private institutions that take public money and create greatly to false scarcity issues in elite education.
Cal Berkley which is a very prestigious public university enrolls more lower income students than all Ivy League schools combined
Ivy Leagues have become somewhat of an elitist fraud at this point and don't serve society
Using Harvard as an example - they have a 53 billion dollar endowment now compared to in 1990 having an endowment of less than 5 billion
Yet they still don't admit any more students. The same can be said for all Ivy League schools to some extent. Their undergrad enrollments should have scaled up over the years but they haven't. They're private institutions that take public money and create greatly to false scarcity issues in elite education.
Cal Berkley which is a very prestigious public university enrolls more lower income students than all Ivy League schools combined
Ivy Leagues have become somewhat of an elitist fraud at this point and don't serve society
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:25 pm to Powerman
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Ivy Leagues have become somewhat of an elitist fraud at this point and don't serve society
Become?
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:26 pm to SallysHuman
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Become?
My thought exactly.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:27 pm to Powerman
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Ivy Leagues have become somewhat of an elitist fraud at this point and don't serve society
You could probably argue they’ve always been sort of that. It’s just now, they are really oddly engineering what they deem to be “elite.”
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:28 pm to Powerman
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Ivy Leagues have become somewhat of an elitist fraud at this point and don't serve society
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:28 pm to Powerman
I’m sorry it upsets you, but Ivy League schools are private universities, and can admit who they want to.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:35 pm to sorantable
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Ivy League schools are private universities, and can admit any U.S. citizen they want to.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:38 pm to Powerman
They’ve always been elitist, but not sure fraud is right. Being elite usually involves very rigorous admissions practices, and they are not compelled to increase enrollment because their endowment grew. Keeping it small helps keep it elite.
Berkeley is an elite school also, but as you noted, it’s public. They have a mission to serve the state, including its lower income students. It isn’t really a comparable institution to the Ivy League in that respect.
Also, given Harvard’s endowment, it’s basically free to attend if you are a lower income student.
The public money they take in is clearly at risk now due to Trump’s agenda. I disagree with that decision, but as it’s federal money, I understand it’s at the government’s discretion within the legal framework that awarded it.
Berkeley is an elite school also, but as you noted, it’s public. They have a mission to serve the state, including its lower income students. It isn’t really a comparable institution to the Ivy League in that respect.
Also, given Harvard’s endowment, it’s basically free to attend if you are a lower income student.
The public money they take in is clearly at risk now due to Trump’s agenda. I disagree with that decision, but as it’s federal money, I understand it’s at the government’s discretion within the legal framework that awarded it.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:42 pm to sorantable
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I’m sorry it upsets you, but Ivy League schools are private universities, and can admit who they want to.
I reject the idea that they're fully private when they receive money from the government
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:43 pm to MetArl15
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and they are not compelled to increase enrollment
But I think the point is....if they weren't scum bags they would increase their enrollment
The amount of people that meet their standards certainly far exceeds the amount that they allow in
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:49 pm to Powerman
The other problem is if you are a white male from the US with the same GPA and extra curricular activities you will be over looked for .
Foreign, Black, Gay, Female , Trans on and on
Foreign, Black, Gay, Female , Trans on and on
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:53 pm to Powerman
Ivy Leagues are nothing more than hedge funds that offer degrees.
Look at their endowments.
Look at their endowments.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 1:58 pm to Powerman
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But I think the point is....if they weren't scum bags they would increase their enrollment
Why? You realize they produce better students in two ways:
1) more selective starting point
2) low student to instructor ratios (ie smaller class sizes)
According to you, they should ignore those two factors because you don’t like how they do things.
Education deteriorates when you have more students per instructor.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:00 pm to RFK
Endowments come from alumni and donors, and how that money is invested.
Private schools don’t have state money to support them, they have to self-fund, thus why their endowments are much larger.
Should they be taxed in some form? Sure, I think that is reasonable if they are not using them to a degree, but acting like private and public schools are in the same situation shows lack of critical thinking.
Private schools don’t have state money to support them, they have to self-fund, thus why their endowments are much larger.
Should they be taxed in some form? Sure, I think that is reasonable if they are not using them to a degree, but acting like private and public schools are in the same situation shows lack of critical thinking.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:06 pm to Powerman
What’s irritating is “conservatives” (neocons) who think so highly of these institutions. Ivy’s have been pushing for the reset for decades.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 2:22 pm to Geauxgurt
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Why? You realize they produce better students in two ways:
1) more selective starting point
2) low student to instructor ratios (ie smaller class sizes)
I'm not sure if you know how math works but they could hire additional instructors
And given that the population has grown they can still be extremely selective while increasing enrollment
The idea that there are fewer worthy students now than 30 years ago is an absurdity
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:05 pm to SallysHuman
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Become?
You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think the Ivys were a gigantic asset to America. Whatever they are today, at one time, the elite minds of the world, most of whom were not American, flocked to the US Ivy League schools. This was a significant factor in making America rich and powerful.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:06 pm to Penrod
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You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think the Ivys were a gigantic asset to America. Whatever they are today, at one time, the elite minds of the world, most of whom were not American, flocked to the US Ivy League schools. This was a significant factor in making America rich and powerful.
How long ago was that? They didn't become what they are now, overnight.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:10 pm to Penrod
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You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think the Ivys were a gigantic asset to America. Whatever they are today, at one time, the elite minds of the world, most of whom were not American, flocked to the US Ivy League schools. This was a significant factor in making America rich and powerful.
Which is why the whole "no foreign students" thing is stupid.
What we should really be doing is asking them to expand their enrollment. Which they can still do without diluting the quality of their students or instructors.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 3:12 pm to The Torch
My daughter once received a scholarship from Princeton. Then a followup rescinding same as they "discovered" she was not a minority.
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