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re: The problem with saying the last 8 years are the hottest on record

Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:34 pm to
Meh, 20,000 years ago the continents were largely covered with gigantic glaciers. Not so much today. Clearly the trend in that time has been warming.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 2:52 pm to
Leftist climate whores don't care about the facts. Their pitiful little feelings take center stage.
Posted by Oneforthemoney
New Iberia, La
Member since Dec 2013
2191 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:51 pm to
I always reply to the climate cultists with "Geologic temperature record". The end
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32483 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:24 pm to
More interesting data for Lafayette.

If you’re interested in your location records, click here. extreme weather watch.com


This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 5:30 pm
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175928 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 7:51 pm to
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Meh, 20,000 years ago the continents were largely covered with gigantic glaciers. Not so much today. Clearly the trend in that time has been warming.



I am confused as to what point you think this has in regards to my OP
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
55741 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 7:58 pm to
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I dunno, but the climate prediction models issued by NOAA for the next two weeks indicates that Louisiana will literally bake, with little opportunity for rain showers.


As opposed to all those years where Louisiana has been wet and cool during the summer?
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
23283 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 8:03 pm to
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Their baseline is the problem with making the claim. The data used for the baseline is junk


We do know that that was the tail end of the Little Ice Age and not far removed from notable events like "a year without summer."

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The year 1816 is known as the Year Without a Summer because of severe climate abnormalities that caused average global temperatures to decrease by 0.4–0.7 °C (0.7–1 °F).[1] Summer temperatures in Europe were the coldest of any on record between the years of 1766 and 2000.[2] This resulted in major food shortages across the Northern Hemisphere.[3]


While the instrumentation wasn't great, people going hungry from fail crops speaks loudly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 8:18 pm to
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above the 1850-1900 pre-industrial baseline


The LIA (Little Ice Age) is commonly considered to have lasted from ~1303 - ~1850. So that baseline is from the first handful of decades where temperature is increasing after a mini ice age...

And then there's this...



For the majority of the history of life on Earth, the global temperature has been much higher.

This is all to say that the timeframe they've used for their "baseline" is a poor one.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 8:20 pm
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21328 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:04 pm to
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The problem with saying the last 8 years are the hottest on record
mostly it's that they are not the hottest years on record
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
61048 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:42 pm to
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The 10-year average for the period 2013-2022 is estimated to be 1.14 [1.02 to 1.27] °C above the 1850-1900 pre-industrial baseline.
Anyone distilling things down to one-single temperature for such a non-homogenous system is lying to you.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
61048 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:46 pm to
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This is all to say that the timeframe they've used for their "baseline" is a poor one.
Nope. It’s perfect. Lol at the breathless propaganda it’s evoked!
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19311 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:52 pm to
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I ran out of characters in my OP so I want to say if any of this is off then please educate me
I think the climate crazies are so stupid it hurts. That you went to these lengths to discuss it is almost as bad.

Why you ask? Because you let them frame the argument. You’re operating under the same assumptions they are, which are laughably inadequate to discuss the situation.

Ask any of the climate crazies (or yourself for that matter) this question. What do you think will happen when it’s 20 degrees warmer on average?

If you can’t answer that question, you don’t know what the actual problem is.

Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:28 am to
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I am confused as to what point you think this has in regards to my OP

Just cutting through all your attempts at trying to be a climate scientist and getting to the heart of the matter.

The climate is warming. It's been warming for 20,000 years.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:34 am to
Neat. Now show us a picture of what it looked like 20,000 years ago so we can compare.
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
12227 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:38 am to
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It stayed cool spring weather longer this year than anytime I can remember in the past at least 10 years.


I agree, this past May was fairly comfortable. Warm, yes but it wasn’t hot and sticky like most Mays I remember. Even July is different in my opinion. Yes it is hot but it’s been dry.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
40396 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:42 am to
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The climate is warming. It's been warming for 20,000 years.


So we need to change our way of life and pay taxes to stop it; or should we just adapt?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
107725 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:57 am to
The problem is, is impossible really to say whether or not our “record” is anything at all but just statistical noise. I think that’s what you’re basically getting at.

It’s unfathomable to me that you would upend society over such a thing.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283351 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 10:00 am to
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The problem is, is impossible really to say whether or not our “record” is anything at all but just statistical noise


Exactly.

I believe in climate change, there was 3,000' of ice where I sit once.

The dramatic overreaction is more akin to "opportunism" than it is saving the planet. Just another chance for the far left to hijack the economy.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/30/23 at 11:13 am to
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change our way of life

Probably a good idea for most people.
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stop it

Good luck with that.
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should we...adapt?

Can't go wrong with that. People need to realize that trying to insure a slab house in coastal Louisiana is just plain stupid.
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