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re: The pope just said: “I prefer not to comment on American politics”
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:50 pm to Guntoter1
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:50 pm to Guntoter1
If he didn't speak ex-cathedra, he didn't change church teaching or catechism. Like all men, he is mortal and imperfect. That is why not every action or statement by any individual Pope "changes church teaching"...thankfully! I have major doubts about him and some of his statements/background/opinions/etc. and the stacked deck that elected him. Can and will still pray that God uses Leo as perfectly as he can with a flawed tool...I'll pray the same for me 
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Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:51 pm to Guntoter1
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Yes I can think of a few that MIGHT suggest that Jesus would frown on it.
I'm glad to know that we can agree on this question.
Here's what Catholic Answers says
LINK
This new teaching in the Catechism is not considered an Infallible Papal teaching. The article clarifies that.
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This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:54 pm to Champagne
Americans need to take back control of DC.
Catholics need to take back control of the Vatican.
Both are run by bad folks.
Catholics need to take back control of the Vatican.
Both are run by bad folks.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:55 pm to Champagne
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I'm glad to know that we can agree on this question. Here's what Catholic Answers says
So who is right?
The modern catechism or the Council of Trent?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:57 pm to Champagne
quote:Not in principle, no.
There is nothing in the Gospel to suggest that Jesus might be against the Death Penalty.
Absolutely nothing?
Remember that God instituted the death penalty with Israel and He was the one who said that blood for blood is just, and Jesus is God, one essence with the Father (and the Spirit). Jesus will also return in judgement to bring the second death to many.
So again, civil justice (including the death penalty) is not against Jesus' character, but supports it, since Jesus is the great and just King.
If you're referring specifically to the woman caught in adultery, then you are misunderstanding the passage if you think that was Jesus condemning the death penalty.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:03 pm to FooManChoo
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Remember that God instituted the death penalty with Israel and He was the one who said that blood for blood is just, and Jesus is God
God originally banned the death penalty in the Old Testament then after that did not workout so well he allowed it. I think after the flood.
Genesis.. I will put a mark on you so that no one will kill you even though you murdered your brother.(paraphrase)
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:07 pm to Guntoter1
Charlie kirk did more for Christianity than this pope ever will.
Has he commented on Kirk's assassination?
Has he commented on Kirk's assassination?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:07 pm to FooManChoo
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If you're referring specifically to the woman caught in adultery, then you are misunderstanding the passage if you think that was Jesus condemning the death penalty.
And you don't think that there is any way for a reasonable person to interpret that Bible passage to reach the conclusion that Jesus Christ was opposed to the Death Penalty.
In fact, to you it is absolutely clear from that particular Bible passage that Jesus Christ is definitely and clearly a BIG proponent of and very much in agreement with the Death Penalty. And, if we human beings hope to be Christ-Like, we must imitate Christ by being fervent ADVOCATES of the World's Governments legal and moral power to kill its prisoners.
This makes total sense, especially in light of the fact that the Governments of the World today are all under the control of totally rational, moral, conscientious good Christians. Yes.
OK, Foo. Got it.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:08 pm to Usmc
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Charlie kirk did more for Christianity than this pope ever will.
Has he commented on Kirk's assassination?
You are correct IMHO and I do wish that the Pope would condemn political assassinations.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:09 pm to ForeverGator
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He doesn't want to alienate a large part of Catholics ANY MORE THAN HE ALREADY HAS
FIFY
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:09 pm to Champagne
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Champagne
Wait
Answer my question…
Which one do we follow? Does gods law change?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:11 pm to SaintInBham
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He doesn't want to alienate a large part of Catholics ANY MORE THAN HE ALREADY HAS
He's from Chicago. Good for him for getting wise to the situation.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:13 pm to Guntoter1
The pope better call Donald Trump to ask him how to deal with immigration.
Europe is going to be islam in 15 years.
They will convert all the old churches to mosques.
Europe is going to be islam in 15 years.
They will convert all the old churches to mosques.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:15 pm to Guntoter1
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Wait
Answer my question…
Which one do we follow? Does gods law change?
Are we sure that this is not a clarification rather than a change?
Have we rested on the infallible conclusion that Jesus Christ Himself in the Gospel NEVER did or said anything that might lead a reasonable person to conclude that He is against the Death Penalty?
Show of hands right now - Who in here wants to stand before the Pearly Gates and Declare his admiration for Jesus Christ for being so obviously in favor of Killing Prisoners?
Show of hands now - Who is willing to leave his church and switch to another because he's mad that the church he's leaving is not in favor of killing people?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:18 pm to Champagne
Got it.
You can’t answer the question because our last pope put us in a position where good believing Catholics cannot even agree on something as simple as the death penalty
You can’t answer the question because our last pope put us in a position where good believing Catholics cannot even agree on something as simple as the death penalty
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:18 pm to Guntoter1
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Does gods law change?
Is God's Law one of Killing of human life or sanctifying human life?
Has God ever changed his mind? Good question. Can you think of any story from the Old Testament that a reasonable person might conclude that God changed His mind?
Is there ANY story ANYthing like that in the OT?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:20 pm to Guntoter1
quote:You're right that God withheld the death penalty in a specific instance. And yet He also provided the general principle of blood for blood and provided the rule for Israel to put people to death for sin-crimes.
God originally banned the death penalty in the Old Testament then after that did not workout so well he allowed it. I think after the flood.
Genesis.. I will put a mark on you so that no one will kill you even though you murdered your brother.(paraphrase)
I don't think you can counter a principle with a special exception and then say that God is against the principle because of it.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:21 pm to Champagne
Yes, I think God has changed his mind many times
I’ve already stated where God changed his mind on the Death penalty
I’ve already stated where God changed his mind on the Death penalty
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:23 pm to FooManChoo
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And yet He also provided the general principle of blood for blood and provided the rule for Israel to put people to death for sin-crimes.
Wow, you just admitted that the Catholic Church has the authority to condemn heretics to death laugh my arse off
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:25 pm to Guntoter1
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Got it.
You can’t answer the question because our last pope put us in a position where good believing Catholics cannot even agree on something as simple as the death penalty
The Church does not compel us to agree on the issue of whether we should be in favor of the Governments of the world having the moral, legal and God given right to Kill its prisoners.
The Church has said that it will work to abolish the Death Penalty. It doesn't command us to agree. Of course, speaking for myself, I'm not sure that i agree with the RCC on this. But then again -- maybe the RCC is right about this.
I wish there was a Bible Story somewhere in which Jesus Himself was directly and immediately thrust into this issue so that we can see how HE would have handled it. I think He would have ministered to the person condemned to death and then told the crowd of stone-throwers, "OK, Folks, I've ministered to her, now crush her skull with some big-honking rocks like God wants you to do." And the Bible Story ends with the crowd doing the Work of the Lord.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 6:27 pm
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