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re: The only one who ever receives the death penalty from rape
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:19 am to Jyrdis
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:19 am to Jyrdis
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BigEdLSU tells me that a raped woman isn’t too traumatized to take the Plan B pill.
Yeah and you said they were, which I imagine is just as dumb of an assertion...
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:20 am to tigerinDC09
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1996 study
Ok
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:20 am to FooManChoo
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I lose respect for someone who takes another life to make themselves feel better about a tragedy that befell them.
It's a bit more than making themselves feel better about a tragedy that befell them though, isn't it?
Not wanting a daily reminder of what was probably a brutal, violent rape, isn't just wanting to make themselves feel better.
Not wanting to birth a possible sociopath, even if you plan to put the child up for adoption, is a bit more than making yourself feel better.
Not wanting to put your body through the ravages of a full term pregnancy, with the possible associated health issues, is a bit more than just wanting to make themselves feel better.
I think statements like yours is where the baby killing crowd scores points on a lack of compassion.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:23 am to troyt37
so why arent liberals pushing for laws to end all abortion other than rape/incest?
truth is the shills push this narritive to activate the feels.
truth is your political religion forces you to support baby murder for convenience.
truth is we see right through it for the garbage it is.
truth is the shills push this narritive to activate the feels.
truth is your political religion forces you to support baby murder for convenience.
truth is we see right through it for the garbage it is.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:23 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Have a friend who came into the world via his mentally retarded mother being raped.
This is confusing because the poli board told me that this scenario is such a statistical anomaly that it’s not worth protecting.
But here we are only 2 posts in...
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 8:24 am
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:26 am to The Maj
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Yeah and you said they were, which I imagine is just as dumb of an assertion...
No. I said
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They are probably too busy dealing with the emotional and psychological shock of being raped.
Note the word “probably”. As in the likelihood they are traumatized has increased. I never made the definitive statement they “were” traumatized
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:29 am to BigEdLSU
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so why arent liberals pushing for laws to end all abortion other than rape/incest?
You know the answer to that. The real question is, why aren't we? You know, the ones who believe it's murder. Why can't we make the concession for rape/incest, even legitimate life of the mother concerns, which would cut abortion dramatically? Then we could work on things like the death penalty for rapists, and reduce it even further.
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truth is your political religion forces you to support baby murder for convenience.
This is where you are dividing your support. It isn't possible for you to be any more against abortion than I am. Believe what you want.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 8:31 am
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:30 am to Jyrdis
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Note the word “probably”. As in the likelihood they are traumatized has increased. I never made the definitive statement they “were” traumatized
Nice word play and strawman...
However, your assertion is they are too busy dealing with the emotional and psychological shock of being raped... which implies they are too traumatized to take a pill...
Noticed you skipped by everything else I said as well...
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:39 am to tigerinDC09
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Explain how a 13 or 14 year old raped by their uncle goes about doing this.... Can't you conceive the situation where rather than tell police or parents, she just hopes the situation goes away and that she doesn't end up pregnant?
work in any prosecutors office that has a large AA population and this is not necessarily an outlier.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:59 am to The Maj
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Nice word play and strawman...
I don’t tend to speak in absolutes. Sorry you don’t like that. I also don’t see where I’m creating a strawman.
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However, your assertion is they are too busy dealing with the emotional and psychological shock of being raped... which implies they are too traumatized to take a pill...
Nope. My assertion is they are probably too busy. Quit placing words in my mouth.
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Noticed you skipped by everything else I said as well...
I replied directly to this post
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Yeah and you said they were, which I imagine is just as dumb of an assertion...
so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:04 am to Loserman
It still baffles me that people not only can justifying killing one innocent life for the crimes of some other monster, but can do it so passionately. I mean I get that rape is one of the most traumatic experiences a person can experience, and it can and does cause serious issues with a person that can stay with them for the rest of their life. But sometimes in life there is no quick relief for heinous acts.
Just because you decided to kill the baby, that will not relieve the pain and suffering the mother will continue to go through. As a matter of a fact, I would think that killing that life that will grow into your own child after suffering such a heinous act would just compound that emotional and psychological torment the mother has to go through. But even if killing the baby does somehow lessen the pain and suffering the mother is going through, you are still passing a death sentence on an innocent life that had absolutely no hand in the atrocity that was committed on the mother.
So again, sometimes in life you can't curtail the suffering that a person has to endure when heinous acts are committed against them. That is one of the reasons that rape is so heinous. But to punish an innocent life for the heinous act of a monster is just mind blowing to me. And to vehemently argue for it is even more mind blowing to me.
Just because you decided to kill the baby, that will not relieve the pain and suffering the mother will continue to go through. As a matter of a fact, I would think that killing that life that will grow into your own child after suffering such a heinous act would just compound that emotional and psychological torment the mother has to go through. But even if killing the baby does somehow lessen the pain and suffering the mother is going through, you are still passing a death sentence on an innocent life that had absolutely no hand in the atrocity that was committed on the mother.
So again, sometimes in life you can't curtail the suffering that a person has to endure when heinous acts are committed against them. That is one of the reasons that rape is so heinous. But to punish an innocent life for the heinous act of a monster is just mind blowing to me. And to vehemently argue for it is even more mind blowing to me.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:06 am to Bamatab
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Bamatab
You have far too much sense for this board
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 9:07 am
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:14 am to The Maj
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There are 600,000 to 800,000 abortions in the U.S. per year in recent years... Some would argue the number is 1 million but let's just go with the 600,000 to 800,000 number...
Hard to get a good number on pregnancies as a result of rape but it looks like the low end is around 25,000 and the high end might be 50,000 per year...
There are not good numbers on pregnancy as a result of incest (which some would fall into the rape category)…
Given that, lets just go with the 50,0000 number for both categories...
1% of all abortions (actually less than 1% but lets just make it a full 1%) performed annually are for the mother's health... so, about 8,000 there...
So, based on your argument, there are about 60,000 abortions in a year in this country that you would view as "justified".... But oops, about 70% of pregnant rape victims carry their baby to term...
The sad fact is, abortion is utilized as a means of birth control in this country and the vast majority of women seeking abortions in this country are in their lower 20's... We would not even be having this discussion and no one would be passing any laws if abortion was limited to "justified" reasons for seeking one...
I do not support abortion in any manner but I am not against health of the mother or cases where it involved incest/rape and the morning after pill was not an option...
Remember when the Clinton formula on abortion went like this: Safe, Legal, and Rare
Well, it is safe, was legal, but definitely not rare.
Anyone who has more that two brain cell to rub together, knows that abortion is utilized primarily as birth control for convenience. Women that are too lazy or stupid to take oral BC pill or make their partners use condoms are the result of the vast majority of abortions.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:17 am to Sentrius
The morning after pill prevents conception both by preventing the sperm from fertilizing the egg (IF the egg is even present) and by making the uterine lining inhospitable so IF the sperm does fertilize the egg, it can’t implant. It is only effective in the first 3 days after a possible fertilization, long before any of these “heartbeat bills” would apply.
It’s kind of the difference between locking the door and setting an alarm at your house to prevent someone coming into your home versus shooting them point blank once they’re sitting on your living room couch.
There’s a difference.
It’s kind of the difference between locking the door and setting an alarm at your house to prevent someone coming into your home versus shooting them point blank once they’re sitting on your living room couch.
There’s a difference.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:27 am to Loserman
quote:Fine, but I stand by what I believe. If she doesn't take the morning after pill and misses her next period then I'm ok with her aborting if she tests positive.
Buy her a morning after pill.
quote:Great news, but not the issue.
only 5% of the women who were raped get pregnant.
Of the 5% who do get pregnant 70% currently give birth
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:58 am to troyt37
quote:Your argument is an emotional one. The justification you are using is emotional trauma. “Feeling better” might be an oversimplification, but it’s exactly what you are saying.
It's a bit more than making themselves feel better about a tragedy that befell them though, isn't it?
Not wanting a daily reminder of what was probably a brutal, violent rape, isn't just wanting to make themselves feel better.
Not wanting to birth a possible sociopath, even if you plan to put the child up for adoption, is a bit more than making yourself feel better.
Not wanting to put your body through the ravages of a full term pregnancy, with the possible associated health issues, is a bit more than just wanting to make themselves feel better.
I think statements like yours is where the baby killing crowd scores points on a lack of compassion.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:38 pm to FooManChoo
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I lose respect for someone who takes another life to make themselves feel better about a tragedy that befell them. I lose respect for someone who calls having a child “force” simply because they didn’t want to. A law to punish murder isn’t “forcing” someone not to murder.
My views mostly lean conservative but this is one that holds Republicans back from getting the majority of the country on board with the rest of conservative policies.
You can argue it may be worth it to save unborn lives, but it does come at a cost of everything else conservative.
Abortion isn't an easy topic to lean one way or another, but conservatives need to move away from trying to dictate what others do with their bodies and lives.
Same reason Trump took the GOP out of the gay marriage and abortion stances, the populace needs to follow his lead.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:02 pm to FooManChoo
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Your argument is an emotional one. The justification you are using is emotional trauma. “Feeling better” might be an oversimplification, but it’s exactly what you are saying.
Call it what you like. The end result of my approach would result in broad support across the country, allowing state after state to pass legislation that stops all but a small percentage of abortions.
I think an all or nothing stance that results in the continuous murder of hundreds of thousands of children every year is actually the emotional argument.
Folks like you demand the division of your support, rather than concede a few small, but sticky situations, knowing that bringing the two factions together will dramatically reduce the wanton murder of children.
My position gives the possibility of virtually eliminating abortion as contraception, and then the ability to work toward harsher and harsher punishments for rape/incest, further reducing the abortion murders.
Your position offers nothing, except vehement opposition from the leftist murder on demand crowd, while stripping away the ability of thinking people to support your effort, because your position demands that a 12 year old girl birth her Uncle Bills rape child. The cherry on top being the fact that as long as you hold the hard line, yet another legion of children are murdered every day.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:16 pm to Nguyener
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The chances of getting pregnant from a single rape are extremely small. You can go get the morning after pill and there isn't an issue. But regardless of all of that, human life is sacred and should be protected. When you allow society and the government to decide who gets to live and who gets to die based on their perceived worth or likelihood of care to society you are playing an extremely dangerous game.
A dangerous game that has already exterminated over 60 million human lives since 1973 in the US alone.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:27 pm to Loserman
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A dangerous game that has already exterminated over 60 million human lives since 1973 in the US alone.
Building on this statement, how do you picture the USA today if abortion had been kept illegal?
My view is we'd still have women shoving coat hangers up themselves, taking loads of pills to try and self abort, black market abortions performed by shady physicians, many more unwanted children in foster homes, increased crime resulting from bad upbringings, more women and children on welfare.
And we'd have much, much less Republican support as more people revolt against the R's try to get abortions legalized. Hell we may have not had a Republican President or Congress since Reagan.
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