re: The only one who ever receives the death penalty from rape

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Building on this statement, how do you picture the USA today if abortion had been kept illegal? My view is we'd still have women shoving coat hangers up themselves, taking loads of pills to try and self abort, black market abortions performed by shady physicians, many more unwanted children in foster homes, increased crime resulting from bad upbringings, more women and children on welfare. And we'd have much, much less Republican support as more people revolt against the R's try to get abortions legalized. Hell we may have not had a Republican President or Congress since Reagan.

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We would have 59+ million more people alive.
Social Security would be funded because there would be 58+ million more workers paying in to the system.

As far as foster homes go we less than 100K children in foster program.
We also have 2 million couples waiting to adopt a baby.

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My views mostly lean conservative but this is one that holds Republicans back from getting the majority of the country on board with the rest of conservative policies.

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So? We shouldn't be compromising fundamental moral issues for political points.

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You can argue it may be worth it to save unborn lives, but it does come at a cost of everything else conservative.

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If we don't stand up for the lives of the innocent, what's the point?

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Abortion isn't an easy topic to lean one way or another, but conservatives need to move away from trying to dictate what others do with their bodies and lives.

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The point of "dictating" what goes on is to save lives. It's why we're in favor of laws against infanticide. Just because people like you aren't intellectually aware or consistent with they biological and moral issues involved doesn't mean we should forget it. It's not like we're trying to tell women how long their hair should be or if they should get tattoos or piercings; we're talking about preventing them from killing their children.

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Same reason Trump took the GOP out of the gay marriage and abortion stances, the populace needs to follow his lead.

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No, we don't.

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Call it what you like. The end result of my approach would result in broad support across the country, allowing state after state to pass legislation that stops all but a small percentage of abortions.

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True, and that would be a great step forward, but it would be intellectually dishonest and immoral to support the killing of other unborn children.

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I think an all or nothing stance that results in the continuous murder of hundreds of thousands of children every year is actually the emotional argument.

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No, it's not an emotional argument when the argument is a moral and logical one. Just because the results of the actions that are taken that are in line with the argument are emotional doesn't mean the argument is emotional.

I try not to be ruled by irrationality, and being ruled by your emotions is irrational.

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Folks like you demand the division of your support, rather than concede a few small, but sticky situations, knowing that bringing the two factions together will dramatically reduce the wanton murder of children.

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Not at all. I'm all for continuous improvement as long as it's understood that it's continuous. The goal shouldn't be to eliminate 98% or 99% of unnecessary abortions but to eliminate 100% of them, at least as far as it is possible to do so.

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My position gives the possibility of virtually eliminating abortion as contraception, and then the ability to work toward harsher and harsher punishments for rape/incest, further reducing the abortion murders.

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That's fine as far as it goes but it's not consistent. If you believe that life begins at conception, it's a good step in the right direction to try to eliminate most abortions, but it's inconsistent with your beliefs to be fine with letting other unnecessary abortions happen.

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Your position offers nothing

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My position offers an intellectually, logically, and morally consistent view of the issue. That's not "nothing".

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except vehement opposition from the leftist murder on demand crowd, while stripping away the ability of thinking people to support your effort, because your position demands that a 12 year old girl birth her Uncle Bills rape child. The cherry on top being the fact that as long as you hold the hard line, yet another legion of children are murdered every day.

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The goal is to teach people how to be intellectually consistent with their positions and stop being arbitrary and ruled by emotions. Evil exists in this world and we need to show people that it's not a moral good to perform a moral evil in response to another moral evil. Just because people tend to lean on their emotions rather than their reason doesn't mean we should abandon the truth.

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To tell rape victim that she must carry the pregnancy is something I don’t even think the bulk of the pro life crowd agrees with.

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This argument puts the feelings of the victim above the life of the child. I don't think that is a moral stance.

It's an emotional argument, not a rational one.

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The future of the country perhaps? You think an unchallenged Dem party is healthy?

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Of course I don't think an unchallenged Dem party is healthy, but there are some things we can't compromise on.

Should we give up our 2nd amendment rights to keep our side in office? Should we allow our free speech to be removed so that we can be more culturally relevant? What other fundamental rights should we give up so that we can have a seat at the political table?

At some point we need to stand up for what is right. The lives of children is not a minor issue.

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What biological issues?

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That the baby is a biologically unique human being, separate from the body of the mother with it's own unique DNA. It's not an issue of "her body". It's an issue of the baby's body.

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Moral issues are just that, up to people's morals.

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Moral relativism is bankrupt. If you honestly believe what you said, you have no basis to condemn any behavior, no matter how repulsive you might find it. The rape and incest stuff that is spouted about on this topic is meaningless to the argument if moral relativism is true. Hell, even the autonomy issue is meaningless if moral relativism is true.

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And currently people are split about 50/50 on this issue, meaning neither side can be considered correct.

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Wrong. Morality and truth are not determined by consensus. If they were, they would both be meaningless and arbitrary.

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Remember this though, only 5% of the women who were raped get pregnant.
Of the 5% who do get pregnant 70% currently give birth.

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Where are you getting these numbers from?

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Lastly, the Morning after pill is available, which virtually makes the whole issue go away.

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So you guys are for abortions, as long as they are in pill form.

Well wait. If fertilization has started then that’s a baby my friend.

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In the UCMJ, a charge of rape is punishable by death.

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So you guys are for abortions, as long as they are in pill form.

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Of course they are. They're the ones who get to decide when it's moral to end a life and when it's not.