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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:13 pm to
And our support for the Mujahadeen helped bring down the Soviet Union. A good thing, no?
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 12:40 pm to
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Yes, I know Ukriane is poor and can't arm or fund itself


Unlike Russia, where the almighty ruble is barely worth more than whatever currency they use in Mauritania.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:12 pm to
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This Ukrainian AF casualty photo was taken in Kamyanka, allegedly, which is well east of Dnipro River. Kinda surprising to see combat so far towards the center of Ukraine.

I don't understand what you mean. There's a Kamianka right on the front line near Donetsk. I assume the photo is from that one.

Something I've learned about Ukraine is that placenames are repeated a lot. There's something like 10 different Kamiankas in Ukraine.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:15 pm to
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Yes, I know Ukriane is poor and can't arm or fund itself



Unlike Russia, where the almighty ruble is barely worth more than whatever currency they use in Mauritania.


Who's talking about Russia's shitty economy- it's always been a lagging economically, but at very least they never asked a dime from USA taxpayer and can finance their military. Ukraine is literally a beggar state asking anyone and everyone to give them free shite while also damaging Western's economies in the process. Because of Ukriane, as Fed chairman pointed out, we're about experience "enormous" economic woes. Europe's economy is teetering on the brink of recession. All for little shitty Ukraine.

Ukraine since 2014 has been a propped up state.

Just checked what ruble is at and it is literally the same now as it was 1 year ago
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:20 pm to
That's what trusted google maps showed. I don't see any other city by the same name. Maybe there's another Kamianka however you spell that, but one I found is right smack in the middle of Ukraine.

It's possible Russia is trying to encircle Dombas, basically do what they've done in Mariupol and cut off Ukraine's dug in troops. I can see them also wanting to cut off Odessa from Crimea and Transistria(Moldova's breakaway Republic that considers itself a country) fronts where Russia also has troops. That's a pretty damn good strategy. I always assumed Russia was trying to take all of Ukraine's Black Sea access. Historically, Ukraine as a nation-state never had access to the Black Sea, Putin is looking to bring time machine back.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:26 pm to
A lot of the non-MSM guys like MacGregor, Ritter, Lira, Grayzone, and the Duran have said for a month this is mostly about encircling and annihilating Ukrainian forces in the Donbas. They don't seem quite as unified on what will happen elsewhere.
Posted by Golgi Apparatus
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:29 pm to
Russia suspended from human rights council and immediately pulls the you can’t fire me i quit card.

Not surprising at all.
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:29 pm to
If the reports of Ukraine's casualties is in fact in Kamyanka area that is on the map, given battle of Kharkov, Russia is trying to slice Ukraine off diagonally straight to Moldova's Transistria region.

Audacious but plausible. They have been targeting oil depots all over Ukraine and railway/bridges do impede Ukraine's dispersing armored units.

It's starting to look that Russia is playing the long game that doesn't involve overtake of the whole country as it was implied. Western Ukraine would never turn pro-Russian.

Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:36 pm to
Just looking at linguistic-ethnic map of Ukraine you can see what the strategy is here.

Russia is looking to take all the Russian-speaking and ethnic Russian territories.


And this is the historical border map of Ukraine:


Most of the areas Ukraine has weren't there 100 years ago.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 1:42 pm
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:49 pm to
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There's something like 10 different Kamiankas in Ukraine.

Kind of like Springfield in the USA.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:51 pm to
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That's what trusted google maps showed. I don't see any other city by the same name. Maybe there's another Kamianka however you spell that, but one I found is right smack in the middle of Ukraine.

You didn't look very hard

The location you posted doesn't even make sense



link to image https://i.imgur.com/1HutNS2.png
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:55 pm to
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If the reports of Ukraine's casualties is in fact in Kamyanka area that is on the map, given battle of Kharkov, Russia is trying to slice Ukraine off diagonally straight to Moldova's Transistria region.
Bro you're embarrassing yourself here. You've got the wrong Kamianka
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:05 pm to
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Bro you're embarrassing yourself here. You've got the wrong Kamianka


You're trying too hard.
You can tell me positively which Kamyanka/Kamianka/Kamenka(which is what Intel Z posted it under) it came from?

Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
245 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:24 pm to
Russians posing with captured British NLAW.
I wonder how much of that anti-tank cache Russia/DPR got and is using...it was inevitable.


Looks like they're getting the accoutrements of anti-tank/aircraft missiles. I think I'm seeing a Swedish AT-4's there.

This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:26 pm to
Isn't he holding that backward?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:34 pm to
It’s a WW2 era bomb. It was first put into production in 1946
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
245 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:34 pm to
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Isn't he holding that backward?


No. There's a fcking scope on there.

This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:42 pm to
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You're trying too hard.

If irony was radioactive, you'd be as sick as those fools digging trenches in the Red Forest.

Imagine starting a new account, only posting in one thread on one board, and then accusing someone ELSE of 'trying too hard.'
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:43 pm to
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Russia is looking to take all the Russian-speaking and ethnic Russian territories.


Which might be a workable long term strategy... perhaps... but the Russian speaking Ukrainians have had tons of casualties piled on them. By... Russia. Bucha was scary but compared to the civilian deaths in Southern Ukraine that is going to seem like a mild border dispute.

If Russia does pull this off, and that depends on how much Putin is willing to shovel his own people onto the bonfire (a lot I imagine), they are going to face a hellish insurgency backed by NATO.

How many Russians are willing to die in the Ukraine long term? Because we know the Ukrainians are willing to die there.
Posted by dr90210
Member since Apr 2022
245 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:52 pm to
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Which might be a workable long term strategy... perhaps... but the Russian speaking Ukrainians have had tons of casualties piled on them. By... Russia. Bucha was scary but compared to the civilian deaths in Southern Ukraine that is going to seem like a mild border dispute.

If Russia does pull this off, and that depends on how much Putin is willing to shovel his own people onto the bonfire (a lot I imagine), they are going to face a hellish insurgency backed by NATO.

How many Russians are willing to die in the Ukraine long term? Because we know the Ukrainians are willing to die there.


Watch independent journalist like Patrick Lancaster who reports how locals are feeling. They don't just blame Russia, they equally blame Urkainian gov-nt and army for this. They are shelled from both sides. It's war and they're trapped in the crossfires.

I'm 90% certain "Bucha scene" was a staged false flag. Just the name- something that the West can remember. Of all weirdly named Ukrainian cities, they had to pick a name that sounded like "Bucher". Coincidence? I sure hope so, but it reeks of propaganda effort.

Russia will have little to no insurgency in the Donbas. The propaganda that all Ukraine was willing to take up arms is a myth- look a the exodus to Poland. Nearly a quarter of their population fled Ukraine. Western Ukrine is where Russia would face Iraq-like insurgency, but there's 0 chance they push there.

As to the losses, Russia habitually lost 500k+ in all its historical political invasions. Putin is more than willing to sacrifice 50k in casualties to take Black Sea and Azov coast from Ukraine. He wants to landlock it. Frankly Black Sea never had a making of a varsity sea because all access to it goes through Turkey controlled Bosporus Strait.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 3:00 pm
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