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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 3/22/22 at 1:32 pm to Stidham8
Posted on 3/22/22 at 1:32 pm to Stidham8
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I don't think they are stalled. That's the western narrative and it's hard to believe. It seems that they knew this would be a long, months on end war. Their strategy is cutting off the major cities then pounding them with artillery, missiles, and airstrikes.
Putin's two previous attacks on Georgia and Crimea where short and quick. He got the predominately Russian area of Georgia and he had a lot of Russian ethnic support in Crimea. Ukraine has a deep historical animosity toward Moscow after Stalin starved 5 or 6 million people to death while exporting grain. Then too, Stalin rounded up another 5 or 6 million top Ukrainians and "exiled" them -- never to be seen again. Ukrainians won't forget that and would love payback.
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:18 pm to Palmetto98
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Stalled because invasions don’t last less than 2 weeks and sieging cities don’t take 2 days?
No. They're stalled because they can't move. In fact...Russians have even been pushed back in some areas of Ukraine. And the only city they have effectively under siege is Mariupol. Kiev and Kharkov remain linked to supplies and reinforcements.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:23 pm to RollTide1987
LINK
Maybe the Chinese can teach them how to steal western IP
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Exodus of IT-specialists from Russia was recently discussed in the Duma. At least 70.000 programmers already left Russia, and it’s expected the same number of people are going to leave
Maybe the Chinese can teach them how to steal western IP
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:58 pm to RollTide1987
How do you know they “can’t” move?
Satellites show 80% of Russias forces are still in Russia.
Satellites show 80% of Russias forces are still in Russia.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:02 pm to JayDeerTay84
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How do you know they “can’t” move?
Because the thaw has come and now they must stick to the roads. Ukrainian forces have turned the highways and roads leading into their major cities into ambush zones and are deflecting Russian probes and attacks every time they are attempted. This is all easy to find information.
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Satellites show 80% of Russias forces are still in Russia.
If this is so then it shows poor planning and generalship on the part of the Russians. Bottom line, if they were really trying to use siege tactics, they would have successfully encircled Kiev by now.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:07 pm to RollTide1987
You contradicted yourself in one post.
At least split them up so it isn't quite as obvious.
At least split them up so it isn't quite as obvious.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:13 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
After watching Russian dash cams, i can see why they are struggling....
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:36 pm to Auburn1968
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Putin's two previous attacks on Georgia and Crimea where short and quick. He got the predominately Russian area of Georgia and he had a lot of Russian ethnic support in Crimea. Ukraine has a deep historical animosity toward Moscow after Stalin starved 5 or 6 million people to death while exporting grain. Then too, Stalin rounded up another 5 or 6 million top Ukrainians and "exiled" them -- never to be seen again. Ukrainians won't forget that and would love payback.
Yet Stalin wasn't an ethnic Russian, but Georgian.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:38 pm to RollTide1987
RollTide,
How long did it take US to "win" Operation Iraqi Freedom?
I doubt Putin's objective at this point is to take the whole Ukraine. They want the whole Black Sea coast and land route to Crimea. They will surround any leftover Uki troops in Donbass area.
Once that's done Putin will negotiate from a position of strength and get most of his demands, espeically if Zelensky and other head honchos are killed by one of those hypersonic strikes.
How long did it take US to "win" Operation Iraqi Freedom?
I doubt Putin's objective at this point is to take the whole Ukraine. They want the whole Black Sea coast and land route to Crimea. They will surround any leftover Uki troops in Donbass area.
Once that's done Putin will negotiate from a position of strength and get most of his demands, espeically if Zelensky and other head honchos are killed by one of those hypersonic strikes.
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:42 pm to RollTide1987
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If this is so then it shows poor planning and generalship on the part of the Russians. Bottom line, if they were really trying to use siege tactics, they would have successfully encircled Kiev by now.
Or maybe, just maybe, it shows that the narrative the media gives you is simply wrong????
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:42 pm to Palmetto98
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Stalled because invasions don’t last less than 2 weeks and sieging cities don’t take 2 days? The most recent siege of Sarajevo lasted nearly 3 years, not 3 weeks, not 3 days, not 3 hours. The fact is that this war will last much longer and Ukrainians will die and be misplaced unless your precious Zelensky takes his corrupt arse and surrenders. Go ahead, I guess wanting less destruction and death is pro Putin while you preach western propaganda rhetoric in an air conditioned house while the country gets destroyed.
Watching the ideological shift of the Republican Party from 9/11 until now has to be every bit as jarring as it was to observe the republican/democrat switch that occurred a hundred years ago.
I’d laugh someone into the ground if they made me read what you just wrote 20 years ago and told me it was a far right ideological belief.
Do these party swaps occur organically? Regardless, it’s unnerving to observe.
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:44 pm to WokeGoBroke
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How long did it take US to "win" Operation Iraqi Freedom?
Well the Iraq military was defeated in about 3 weeks.
apples to apples and all
edit - and that was without 4th ID coming in from the North as originally planned
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:50 pm to Sooner5030
Definitely apples and bowling bowls. Though per reports, major operations ended in May. So it was 6-7 weeks with minor skirmishes after.
In context, it was a far less funded Iraqi military that at the time didn't enjoy drone and cell phone communications that are ubiquitous today. I think if US invaded Iraq today, we'd be bogged down immediately and pull out.
In context, it was a far less funded Iraqi military that at the time didn't enjoy drone and cell phone communications that are ubiquitous today. I think if US invaded Iraq today, we'd be bogged down immediately and pull out.
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:50 pm to Golgi Apparatus
You still believe the parties swapped ther belief 100 years ago??? Sad
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:52 pm to omegaman66
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You still believe the parties swapped ther belief 100 years ago??? Sad
And I immediately remember why I don’t post on internet message boards.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:53 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Or maybe, just maybe, it shows that the narrative the media gives you is simply wrong????
I don’t watch the news, bruh.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:55 pm to Golgi Apparatus
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Watching the ideological shift of the Republican Party from 9/11 until now has to be every bit as jarring as it was to observe the republican/democrat switch that occurred a hundred years ago.
I’d laugh someone into the ground if they made me read what you just wrote 20 years ago and told me it was a far right ideological belief.
Do these party swaps occur organically? Regardless, it’s unnerving to observe.
Republican switch happened because they saw what neocon agenda which permeated R-party leads to- aka bankruptcy to USA and waste of money because ME never learned to "democratize". They didn't stand up for their rights when ISIS attacked them, and they let Taliban take Afghanistan.
Libs on the other hands couldn't shake off the narrative of the neocon Dems. They're still beholden to them. R voted for Trump, and libs went with two establishment war mongering pieces of shite in Hilldawg and current POTATUS in chief.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 4:56 pm to WokeGoBroke
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Though per reports, major operations ended in May.
POTUS declared an end to major combat operations on 01 May.
Most of the fighting against combat effective enemy formations ended weeks before that.
The invasion went as well as it could've...which is not anywhere close to what is currently happening in Ukraine.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 5:36 pm to Golgi Apparatus
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And I immediately remember why I don’t post on internet message boards.
We’ve got a couple of professional trolls on the board.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 5:36 pm to Sooner5030
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The invasion went as well as it could've...which is not anywhere close to what is currently happening in Ukraine.
If your only basis for this argument is because the Russians didn’t break the Guinness book of world records in military invasions then this is the reason so many people regard western media as propaganda. The Russian army is basically strangling the core Ukrainian army out east while besieging every major city except Lviv. What’s going to happen when Ukraine surrenders it’s main army? WHAT, CNN didn’t tell me this?!!
Like y’all see some underdog team keeping up with Alabama for the first minute and y’all start shouting Upset Lmao
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