re: The official Education rankings are out

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quoted you. You didn’t like your own words

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That pretty much explains why you ignored my post about not just comparing white kids in one school to white kids in another. You'll notice my quote did not say white kids my quote said white schools

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I’m from New Mexico and there’s no way we rank 51 out of all 52 US states.

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Yeah, that's hard to fathom.

If MO would drop KCMO and St Louis out of the calculation I bet MO would be top 10....lol.

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You'll notice my quote did not say white kids my quote said white schools

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What do you think the second group of schools is?

As I said I looked at the first school on each list. Something tells me looking further under the hood will yield very similar results. There's a reason why you don't cherry pick 3 schools to support your argument but instead look overall at the entire population of schools that meet the characteristics. I knew exactly what you were going to do for this whole thread so I can't say that I'm stunned.

My assertion is pretty simple here. You are correct. Individual teachers can have a phenomenal effect. So anecdotally there's quite a few nice stories. But taking on the whole if you compare like demographics to like demographics you find extremely little variation because individually phenomenal teachers don't fix the bell curve of teachers. And individually phenomenal teachers don't fix the bell curve of students. They made for interesting data points that we all wish we could duplicate across the education system but that's a little like wishing all of your cornerbacks were Deion Sanders. It's a nice wish but it's just not going to happen.

I would’ve thought you’d see disparity in results based on the free lunch % as I’ve always thought it’s a socioeconomic issue for the most part.

Also…if this is all elementary school data can you pull the same for middle and HS? I would guess this is where parental influence or lack thereof starts to manifest and you’d see these gaps widen.

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I would’ve thought you’d see disparity in results based on the free lunch %.

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Over the state you do.
At the individual district level, it’s more about who runs a shitty district.

Windsor is run really poorly. Thus, their demographics are not reflected in their results.

If you looked at Hancock Place data from 10 years ago, they had top 10% of the state scores even with 100% free and reduced lunch students. They had a rockstar administrator.

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if this is all elementary school data can you pull the same for middle and HS?

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You can. I know the elementary schools better and knew some obvious data gaps versus demographics. So I pulled what I knew. I think that you’d see similar results for high school in Fox, Windsor and Festus. It might get worse at the high school level for Windsor.

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You picked the grand total of three schools.

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You said a good white school versus a good white school. I didn’t make the dumb initial statement. You did.

I can do more. There’s widely disparate results from similarly demographiced schools. You didn’t know because you don’t know. Now you know and you can stop saying something you now know to be false.

The highest percentage of black students in any of your examples was only 22%, the rest were single digits. These aren't anywhere close to the type of demographics people in this thread would have been discussing. This is some extremely cherry picked data that doesn't even attempt to address the schools that have 50% or higher black students.