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re: The official 14 point US-Iran MoU deal has been released
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:49 pm to Lsutigerturner
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:49 pm to Lsutigerturner
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What are we getting in return?
Nothing that we didn't have in January, or through the JCPOA before we withdrew.
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:49 pm to Pettifogger
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And this doesn't even factor in the idea of popular revolt, the chances of which likely increase as capital floods into a diminished, less hierarchical regime and infighting begins.
Already happening.
I would say that what SFP said is retarded, but that goes without saying.
Just yesterday or day before he was acknowledging that sectarian violence is breaking out within Iran and arguing that was a bad thing and now he says Iran is stronger than they were before this began.
Blatant dishonesty yet again by this absolute frickin moron.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:51 pm to BBONDS25
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How so?
This deal makes Iran infinitely stronger long term than they were.
They were economically ruined even before the bombs started falling.
Couldn't export oil, couldn't import anything, accounts frozen, barely able to pay their military, old F14s rusting on the flight lines without spare parts...
Now the oil spigots are open, the world knows they can shut down shipping on a whim, the sanctions are gone, the money to kickstart their economy and modernize their armed forces is coming from their own enemies....
This is a massive win for a nation that is intrinsically opposed to all of our interests in the region. Persia has been a threat to the west since time immemorial, but were on life support. Now they're waking up and we've empowered all the worst elements within their nation to enact their agendas.
I dont mean any of this as an attack on President Trump, im just trying to be objective. I desperately want the rest of his agenda to be successful moving forward, its frankly all that's holding back the globalists and socialists from taking power here.
But I see this entire period as a debacle that set us back in the middle east, created a massive rift domestically with Israel for the foreseeable future and created angry factions within the GOP coalition that won in 2024 and was poised for long term success nationally.
It can all be fixed with progress on the domestic economic and job front but we lost all our momentum with the 2024 platform with this war.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:51 pm to FLTech
Assuming Vance is right and telling the truth - the $300 billion+ will be private investment? Am I understanding what he is saying correctly?
If that is true - might be pretty good for us. western/allied investment in Iran can only be a good thing in my opinion.
If that is true - might be pretty good for us. western/allied investment in Iran can only be a good thing in my opinion.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:51 pm to AlterEd
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Just yesterday or day before he was acknowledging that sectarian violence is breaking out within Iran and arguing that was a bad thing and now he says Iran is stronger than they were before this began.
No, I said a plan to create sectarian violence was a bad one. We're lucky that didn't happen.
There is nothing to indicate a popular revolt is possible, let alone likely, after this huge W for the regime. They were executing dissidents during this entire war, AFTER killing 30k earlier this year alone.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:52 pm to JimEverett
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western/allied investment in Iran can only be a good thing in my opinion.
So they can seize everything as soon as the mullahs get pissed at Israel or something?
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:52 pm to Lsutigerturner
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What are we getting in return?
According to President Trump, “We run out of reserves at about four weeks,” Trump said in France while at the Group of Seven summit, discussing the recent memorandum of understanding with Iran. “You know, there are reserves all over the world, and we would really run out, and there’ll be a time when you wouldn’t be able to get it.”
He said it would be “bedlam” if the oil ran out.
And Trump is correct in this respect.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:53 pm to JimEverett
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Assuming Vance is right and telling the truth - the $300 billion+ will be private investment? Am I understanding what he is saying correctly?
Well not US public funds. I imagine a lot of that money will be public via Arab Gulf States.
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western/allied investment in Iran can only be a good thing in my opinion.
I think it's going to end up more like bribes from regional actors who showed they're impotent militarily against Iran
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:53 pm to BBONDS25
According to vance and Trump they're the world's leading sponsor of terror. This deal makes them, the great terror sponsor, filthy rich. It basically unleashes their economy.
Is that specific enough, if not I can list plenty of other reasons. Also why on earth would you believe Vance?
Is that specific enough, if not I can list plenty of other reasons. Also why on earth would you believe Vance?
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Iran and China are much stronger today than January 2026
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:55 pm to Indefatigable
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So they can seize everything as soon as the mullahs get pissed at Israel or something?
Always that risk wherever in the world you are. But given we don;t have the political will to put boots on the ground, and the sanction scheme is producing mixed results at best, then private investment is the best card we can play to effect change in Iran.
Seems like the better path to go down then any alternative.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:56 pm to Schleynole
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According to vance and Trump they're the world's leading sponsor of terror. This deal makes them, the great terror sponsor, filthy rich. It basically unleashes their economy.
You aren’t bright enough to figure out that the stipulations they must continually meet to get the loans would address that?
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Is that specific enough, if not I can list plenty of other reasons.
Please do. While it was specific, it is really ignorant.
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Also why on earth would you believe Vance
The same Vance you attempted to cite as the basis of your specific reason for calling this a bad deal?
moron. This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:57 pm to BBONDS25
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You aren’t bright enough to figure out that the stipulations they must continually meet to get the loans would address that? quote:Is that specific enough, if not I can list plenty of other reasons. Please do. While it was specific, it is really ignorant.
Aren’t there already reports that their military has ordered 20 helicopters
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/17/26 at 2:00 pm to BBONDS25
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You aren’t bright enough to figure out that the stipulations they must continually meet to get the loans would address that?
So last week theyre the largest sponsor of terrorism in the world but this week they no longer sponsor terrorism. This cope is amazing.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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China is strengthened with this whole failure of a war and peace deal.
Yes this is what a moron would think and say
So im not suprised
Posted on 6/17/26 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Your chart documents arrivals, not departures. We were recently transiting between 8 and 30 ships daily.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 2:02 pm to hawgfaninc
What happened to Iran agreeing to stop sponsoring terrorism?
I figure then that 50B will end up in reconstruction, 250B to hezzbollah.
We might as well put their name on the check.
I figure then that 50B will end up in reconstruction, 250B to hezzbollah.
We might as well put their name on the check.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 2:02 pm to Adam Banks
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Aren’t there already reports that their military has ordered 20 helicopters
This must be why that frickin idiot now believes they're stronger than they were before. Those 20 birds will offset all of the shite we just destroyed easily.
Their Navy now rests at the bottom of the Gulf and nearly every military installation across the country is destroyed, but by God they just ordered 20 helicopters!
Look out, they may fly them all the way to America and wage war on us now.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 2:03 pm to SDVTiger
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Yes this is what a moron would think and say
So im not suprised
Nobody has yet to explain how China was hurt in this war long-term, except the people who created fantasies like AlterEd
Posted on 6/17/26 at 2:03 pm to NC_Tigah
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We were recently transiting between 8 and 30 ships daily.
What was the rate in January 2026?
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