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re: The official 14 point US-Iran MoU deal has been released

Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by FLTech
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:40 pm to
Since a lot on here don't know how to read and comprehend things... Just listen to JD Vance as he explains everything clearly and a LOT more clearer than Trump himself

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Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:41 pm to
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That said I just cant pretend this deal isnt so bad for us


How so?
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:41 pm to
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What it says is that the US guarantees the 300bb in US dollars.


It does not use the language "guarantee" which can easily be read as meaning he U.S. guarantees a loan.
What it says is that the U.S. with regional partners will develop a plan with at least $300 billion going to the reconstruction and economic development of Iran.
This can be read as anything from a war reparations from the U.S. to Iran to a regional investment deal, to a U.S. backed loan scheme, etc.
Either both parties are still negotiating on how this is exactly going to go down or one side does not want the nature of the transacion to be made public yet.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:41 pm to
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Are you really this fricking retarded? Seriously??


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:42 pm to
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Where is that number coming from


I posted it in the other thread. $100B-120B of assets are not obtainable due to sanctions.

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and the lifting of sanctions moving forward does not necessarily mean we give them assets that were taken because of past sanctions.


Read point 11. It's part of the deal
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:42 pm to
they defended themselves by striking strategic locations in Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Jordan.

They didn't just get bombed and then we gave them 300 billion.
Posted by i am dan
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:43 pm to
The whole Iran thing was a shitshow.

I'm much more interested in domestic fraud though.
Posted by AlterEd
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Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:43 pm to
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they defended themselves by striking strategic locations in Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Jordan.





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They didn't just get bombed and then we gave them 300 billion.


Posted by Schleynole
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:43 pm to
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just watched the US drop bombs on them for weeks at a time with impunity. This is the dumbest frickin shite I've ever read.


And they still won. We got our asses handed to us or we wouldn't agree to this deal
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:44 pm to
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Iran proved it can defend itself at any time with minimal cost



blank stare

Imagine someone wiping out the often-untouchable leadership of a Western state in a period of 10 days and saying this. Imagine that same Western state knowing that the rubicon has been crossed and an official doing something untoward could result in their apartment bloc getting obliterated 24 hours later. There are limits to how contrarian you can be without looking silly.

To be clear. China will be weaker in 6 months than it is now. It's weaker now than it was in January. China's demographic cliff isn't going away. Its real estate crisis isn't going away. It's historically unprecedented M2 debacle isn't going away. It's going to do what with easier access to oil? Build more production capacity it can't use as it stares down the era of contracting supply chains and near shoring?

Iran is going to be incredibly unstable for the near future. It's now going to enjoy a flood of money that probably results in an increasingly post-USSR style turf war (which is a good thing and an upgrade). And this doesn't even factor in the idea of popular revolt, the chances of which likely increase as capital floods into a diminished, less hierarchical regime and infighting begins.

On that basis, there is probably is an argument that Iran will be BETTER as a result of this when things shake out. But Iran as a stronger adversary to the West?
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:44 pm to
laughing with no retort is a clear sign you lost.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:46 pm to
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And they still won. We got our asses handed to us or we wouldn't agree to this deal


Why not. If what Vance says is true we send not one penny and Iran is forever giving up on its nuclear ambitions. How is that bad for the US? Be specific.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:46 pm to
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So when we use money to reconstruct Iran

I stopped reading right there
Posted by TakingStock
Member since Jun 2009
7507 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:46 pm to
Trump may have been unknowingly speaking way more truth about Iran "begging for a deal" if this 14-point MOU is what he was referring to then.

In what world should a $300 billion plan for Iran's reconstruction and economic development be included in this MOU? Iran has been a designated state sponsor of terror since 1984 and the regime hasn't changed, nor did the United States significantly damage civilian infrastructure throughout the campaign. This has to be one of the more ridiculous items included in the deal.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 1:51 pm
Posted by AlterEd
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Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:46 pm to
Saying that they defended themselves against the US by firing missiles at the UAE is too stupid to address. It deserves to be laughed at.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:47 pm to
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Imagine someone wiping out the often-untouchable leadership of a Western state in a period of 10 days and saying this. Imagine that same Western state knowing that the rubicon has been crossed and an official doing something untoward could result in their apartment bloc getting obliterated 24 hours later. There are limits to how contrarian you can be without looking silly.


Yeah we are good at bombing. Didn't amount to shite. New meatsuits in the same regime took over

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To be clear. China will be weaker in 6 months than it is now. It's weaker now than it was in January. China's demographic cliff isn't going away. Its real estate crisis isn't going away. It's historically unprecedented M2 debacle isn't going away. It's going to do what with easier access to oil? Build more production capacity it can't use as it stares down the era of contracting supply chains and near shoring?

Well that's changing the discussion a great deal,

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Iran is going to be incredibly unstable for the near future. It's now going to enjoy a flood of money that probably results in an increasingly post-USSR style turf war (

The fanatical, radical Islamic regime gets that money

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And this doesn't even factor in the idea of popular revolt, the chances of which likely increase as capital floods into a diminished, less hierarchical regime and infighting begins.


What?

The regime is already ordering more military equipment

The regime is going to be stronger now. They just fought the US and Israel, the Great Satans AND their regional blood enemies, to at worst (for them) a stalemate. This is their dream scenario.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59856 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:47 pm to
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then we gave them 300 billion.


Loans from other countries. Not us giving them anything. You know this. If you have to lie to make your “point,” you’ve already lost.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478689 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:49 pm to
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Saying that they defended themselves against the US by firing missiles at the UAE is too stupid to address. It deserves to be laughed at.


They caused pain that forced the US to stop bombing.

You're thinking very linear, which isn't shocking.

It doesn't matter if they used a linear or abstract approach to stop the aggression if the plan worked.
Posted by Lsutigerturner
Member since Dec 2016
7273 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:49 pm to
So this is real? 300billion? What are we getting in return?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478689 posts
Posted on 6/17/26 at 1:49 pm to
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What are we getting in return?


The 101st pinky swear by Iran that they're giving up on nukes
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