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re: The Metro Council declared war on the unincorporated area tonight
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:24 am to moneyg
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:24 am to moneyg
quote:
This post is priceless. The poster from St. George just typed up a very succinct and clear message that explained why Rainey isn't driving the effort AT ALL. He explains that the core issues are driving the effort, and that Rainey (for better or for worse) is really meaningless.
And, Mickey proceeds to explain to him that he's wrong and that he is in fact following Rainey and that he doesn't get it.
Mickey needs to believe that St. George residents blindly follow Rainey. Because, he can't argue the actual core issues.
Then I am sure we will see a new spokesman for St. George any day now.
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:25 am to LSURussian
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You're lying if you claim to believe that one of the motivations for the school breakaway effort and the SG incorporation effort is not racial.
I think it's self evident that the opponents of St. George oppose it in large part because they believe that it will make the city/SD "too black" from a population perspective. It is a very racist point of view. It would be an outright lie to pretend that is not part of the motivation for the opposition.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:26 am to moneyg
quote:Your faux outrage is amusing.
And, it is despicable.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:27 am to BigJim
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Then I am sure we will see a new spokesman for St. George any day now.
It's not a major concern for those supporting the incorporation effort. Rainey has a certain role. He's the "enemy". It's not important enough to make a change.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:27 am to moneyg
quote:
This post is priceless. The poster from St. George just typed up a very succinct and clear message that explained why Rainey isn't driving the effort AT ALL. He explains that the core issues are driving the effort, and that Rainey (for better or for worse) is really meaningless. And, Mickey proceeds to explain to him that he's wrong and that he is in fact following Rainey and that he doesn't get it. Mickey needs to believe that St. George residents blindly follow Rainey. Because, he can't argue the actual core issues
Exactly, I was for an ISD before I ever heard of Rainey.
I wouldn't know Rainey from Adam, but the SG opposition has painted him as the devil in an effort to detract from the real debate and make it about personalities and not issues.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:30 am to moneyg
quote:
This post is priceless. The poster from St. George just typed up a very succinct and clear message that explained why Rainey isn't driving the effort AT ALL. He explains that the core issues are driving the effort, and that Rainey (for better or for worse) is really meaningless.
And, Mickey proceeds to explain to him that he's wrong and that he is in fact following Rainey and that he doesn't get it.
Mickey needs to believe that St. George residents blindly follow Rainey. Because, he can't argue the actual core issues.
I'm saying he doesn't have a choice because Rainey and company are the ones in charge of the petition right now. Follow him or not, the actions by him and others are affecting the incorporation. You're in denial if you think that's not true.
I've debated the core issues countless times on here. I'd love if we could get back to that but Rainey lying to everyone and Delgado/Heck fighting on FB has prevented that.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:30 am to LSURussian
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You're lying if you claim to believe that one of the motivations for the school breakaway effort and the SG incorporation effort is not racial.
I don't necessarily believe it is racial as much as it is classism. That seems to be a motivating factor in much of the south.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:32 am to TK421
They'll argue that classism is innately racist.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:35 am to GreenTrout
Historically, especially in the south, the two are very similar.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:38 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm saying he doesn't have a choice because Rainey and company are the ones in charge of the petition right now. Follow him or not, the actions by him and others are affecting the incorporation. You're in denial if you think that's not true.
Exactly what has Rainey done that makes him such a sleezeball and untrustworthy?
Was he ever fined for ethics violations? Did he go to jail?
I know he got a state contract, but I got a state contract too; and from what I can tell they just don't give those away.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:41 am to TK421
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Historically, especially in the south, the two are very similar.
Is it wrong to want your kids in school with kids who are there to learn, kids who are disciplined, and kids who do not disrupt and interrupt the learning process?
I do not.
I think most parents who cherish a good education want this too.
You see this from SG, but you also see it from the Better Together crowd. They put their children in the best schools possible too as they should.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:44 am to doubleb
quote:They did to Rainey.
I know he got a state contract, but I got a state contract too; and from what I can tell they just don't give those away.
A no bid, $717,000, three-year contract, divided so that the most any one year's amount was $249,999, keeping it under the $250,000 requirement for public bids. And his company was "founded" only 30 days prior to his getting the contract. And he had no experience in providing the services the contract called for. And those services are already being done by an existing state agency.
Nah, nothing to see here. All is well. Move along.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:48 am to doubleb
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Is it wrong to want your kids in school with kids who are there to learn, kids who are disciplined, and kids who do not disrupt and interrupt the learning process?
No, but it is wrong to assume that kids like what you describe do not exist outside of your white middle class neighborhood.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:49 am to doubleb
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Exactly what has Rainey done that makes him such a sleezeball and untrustworthy?
Was he ever fined for ethics violations? Did he go to jail?
I know he got a state contract, but I got a state contract too; and from what I can tell they just don't give those away.
https://www.theind.com/LaLaLand/st-george-leaders-getting-fat-off-state-contracts-2771/
Also, the point was he has nothing to do with the SG movement and that's just not true. He has had a huge role and you can't ignore that.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:56 am to Mickey Goldmill
From your link:
So doubleb was wrong. State contracts ARE just handed out, especially when your business partner is a state senator who you worked with previously to get a charter school application approved by the EBR school board.
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If this contract was, in fact, awarded without a competitive Request for Proposal process, it is likely no one else could have known to even apply for this work; it was just handed out.
So doubleb was wrong. State contracts ARE just handed out, especially when your business partner is a state senator who you worked with previously to get a charter school application approved by the EBR school board.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:00 pm to TK421
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No, but it is wrong to assume that kids like what you describe do not exist outside of your white middle class neighborhood.
Sure it would be wrong to assume that and I know there are inner city schools like BRHSMagnet and others that are full of kids like I described.
They come in all colors, religions, ethnic backgrounds, etc.
No one group or area has a monopoly on character.
And I see parents lining up to get their kids in these good schools, just as I see parents upset because they do not have a place to send their kids to get that kind of learning environment.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:18 pm to LSURussian
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They did to Rainey. A no bid, $717,000, three-year contract, divided so that the most any one year's amount was $249,999, keeping it under the $250,000 requirement for public bids. And his company was "founded" only 30 days prior to his getting the contract. And he had no experience in providing the services the contract called for. And those services are already being done by an existing state agency. Nah, nothing to see here. All is well. Move along.
And I would like to know how he got that contract.
Was there a RFP? Was some state official on the take? What were the circumstances?
Again, I'd like to know how he did it because I can't.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:19 pm to doubleb
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Exactly what has Rainey done that makes him such a sleezeball and untrustworthy?
Well others pointed that out (and don't forget about Sen. White). But put that aside. Did you vote for Rainey? Do you think he as done a good job as "spokesperson?" I think you (meaning all the break away folks) would be better served by finding a way to get rid of this guy.
But feel free to ignore my advice and continue doing what you are doing.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:20 pm to BigJim
quote:
Well others pointed that out (and don't forget about Sen. White). But put that aside. Did you vote for Rainey? Do you think he as done a good job as "spokesperson?" I think you (meaning all the break away folks) would be better served by finding away to get rid of this guy. But feel free to ignore my advice and continue doing what you are doing.
I don't disagree with you at all, but I'm not in a position to vote Rainey in or out.
I do believe as you pointed out that he is a distraction and needs to go. Hopefully the leadership gets the message.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:22 pm to doubleb
quote:Do you not understand what a "no bid" contract is?
Was there a RFP?
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