re: The left keeps saying we cannot imprison our way out of crime.

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One innocent person executed by the state is too many

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In an era of video and DNA evidence, are you fine with executing people that we have conclusive proof committed the crime?

The lefties are destroying our country from within by installing their judges and prosecutors.

The question is, how can the present administration turn this around?

It`s a now or never situation.

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No, because we have alternatives that don’t require a state to play God with someone’s life on our dime.

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Then you flat out lied.

You pretended it was about chance of innocence, but that doesnt mean anything to you, guilty or innocent you feel uncomfortable with the state executing people.

Be honest.

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This person is claiming that advocating for the humane treatment of individuals in State custody is equivalent to being for criminals and against victims. This lazy binary thinking doesn’t get anyone anywhere.

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Trying to over complicate with absurd liberal reasoning doesn’t change the reality I presented about your dangerous soft on crime ideology.

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The violent crime rate has fallen tremendously over the past 50 years. For example, the homicide rate was around 8.8 per 100,000 in 1970, peaked at 9.4 in 1990, and had fallen to 5.9 by 2019.

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Where would the 2019 rate be if we kept repeat offenders in jail? Many more innocent Americans would be alive today.

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We all should

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No Karen we shouldn't.

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Do you trust Louisiana to get anything right?

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Stop lying, you already got caught and now you are going right back to the same lie?

You don't care one bit if Louisiana gets things right or wrong, you couldn't care less if the perp raped and murdered a 5 year old while recording it on video, if there was DNA evidence everywhere.

Stop acting like others should hold your sick beliefs, and stop acting like others should hold beliefs you don't even hold.

And stop lying.

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That’s a whole lot of made up psychoanalysis with no substance.

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It's literally based on what he posted himself.

His emotions and "caring."

I can't deal with two morons at once.

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Are you looking in the mirror?

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No, I'm looking at the writings of a moron who just posted that he thinks that doing away with due process, punishing 12 year olds as adults, and incarcerating people without a trial is a "far better system than the one we have."

Hey, wait a minute! That moron was you!

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We should execute them, locking them up and releasing them has allows criminals who recidivated and harmed more individuals. What # of violent criminals are truly rehabilitated. Kill the worse of them and lock of the rest with no parole.

Bring back prison industries and allow them to work and make $ for their families on the outside. Let them see their families, but do not release them back to the public.

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The irony is that although your post is borderline illiterate and the first sentence is silly, you hit upon a point in your second paragraph that the other short-bus riders here are too emotionally invested in satisfying their immature emotional need for revenge to consider.

When the priority is simply punishment and trying to make inmates lives a miserable as possible, here what we know is NOT accomplished:

1. It does not serve as a deterrent
2. It does not make for a safe environment for inmates (including the non-violent ones) or prison guards
3. It does not produce anything of value or realize any opportunity to offset the cost of incarceration

Here's what it DOES:

1. It does make inmates more violent and better criminals for when they get released
2. It does make for a more dangerous environment for guards and inmates
3. It does cost a lot of taxpayer money

So why not explore other theories of justice? There are five. The retributive theory is only one, and it's easily the dumbest one. You can't actually "get justice" by punishing someone for what they did. What they did is done. No amount of punishment will change that. Basically the only pro of the retributive theory of justice is the emotional satisfaction certain types of people get from the revenge of seeing someone who hurt them suffer. That's it. It costs a lot and you get almost nothing in return.

So what about the restorative theory? What if these inmates were trained to do something productive (or used skills they already had when they went in?)

And what if instead of living in a cage and spending all their time and bandwidth on surviving an incredibly violent environment and learning nothing more than how to become more violent themselves, what if those who were cooperative got to live in something like an actual human being would live in and go to work every day to pay back the people they victimized? I don't mean go to work outside the facility. I mean they got trained to do something useful inside the facility. Think remote jobs.

The prison could contract with private companies or the state or local government for their labor and the inmate could work to send most of that money to his or her victims or if that wouldn't be applicable, some other useful fund.

Matter of fact, what if that was part of their sentence? They had to repay some amount before they could be released?

Now let's see what prison would accomplish under that theory of justice:

1. It would teach jobs skills and give real work experience in a field that might help the inmate get a job when they had fulfilled their sentence, which research shows lowers recidivism by a lot.

2. It would put them in an environment that—instead of deepening the anti-social impulses that landed them in prison in the first place, which would only make them more likely to re-offend—would teach them that cooperating with society is better for them than fighting with it.

3. It would generate money that could go to offset the cost of their incarceration, pay back victims, or any number of other worthwhile endeavors.

Can someone tell me what the downside of shifting to that type of theory of justice would be? The only thing I can think of is that some people wouldn't get the emotional satisfaction of seeing inmates suffer as much as possible.

And before anybody tries, I'm not saying that everybody would be suitable for that type of program. I also believe in a protective theory of justice. If you have proven that you can't be free in society without hurting other people, then you can't be free. But none of these people would be free; they would still be incarcerated. The priority for their incarceration would simply be different. Instead of a useless priority of trying to maximize their suffering, it would be to maximize their usefulness to society.