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Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:15 pm to Vacherie Saint
Exactly. The guy Cubbie voted for in 2020 help sponsor the 1994 crime bill that ushered in a 20 year era of some of the lowest crime rates our country had ever seen.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 1:23 pm to 4cubbies
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But people have been exonerated after being executed.
Says who? A jury? Sorry, not finding anything.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 2:28 pm to loogaroo
That’s the worse defense of letting criminals run free there is.
“We can’t solve crime with prisons, let them run free”.
Like most liberals policies, when the going gets tough, they give up.
“We can’t solve crime with prisons, let them run free”.
Like most liberals policies, when the going gets tough, they give up.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:00 pm to 4cubbies
US prisons in particular are Masters and PhD programs for criminals.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:22 pm to glassman
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El Salvador is proof it works.
There is no argument against this.
Every single soft on crime liberal has failed to prove it wrong.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:23 pm to 4cubbies
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Since 1970, the prison population has increased by 500% Do you suspect the crime rate increased or decreased proportionately?
It didn’t take long to scroll to find example 1 of a fail by a soft on crime liberal.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:36 pm to loogaroo
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The left keeps saying we cannot imprison our way out of crime.
True.
We need to execute our way out of crime
Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:38 pm to bigjoe1
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Common sense says scoop these up and they never see daylight again.
Bukele in El Salvador shows us how to accomplish it. El Salvador was the most violent country in Latin America now it’s one of the safest.
You cannot coddle criminals. You eliminate them. Take the gloves off, and people get in line
Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:40 pm to loogaroo
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The left keeps saying we cannot imprison our way out of crime.
Lower crime rates is a side benefit of the main purpose of imprisonment. The main purpose is punishment.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:03 pm to Sizzle_DAWG
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You’re trying to split hairs
No, I'm responding to what you posted. Take your, "You know what I meant" and shove it. Say what you mean and mean what you say and don't blame someone else for you not being able to communicate.
And you didn't even really clarify anything in this last post. What you mean to say (I think, but I never claimed to be a mind-reader) is that in cases in which there is no doubt about the guilt of the defendant, they should be executed for violent crimes.
The problem is that that case doesn't really exist in reality. Even cases in which the police are able to manipulate confessions out of people you can't necessarily trust it. The research estimates that as many as 30% of all confessions are false. (Which should tell you that what the police are able to do to a suspect in interrogation is antithetical to actual justice, but that's another thread.)
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Fear is the most powerful human motivator, so once word gets out that there are no more slaps on the wrist, the problem will solve itself.
Again, I don't know how many times you concrete-skull types can post this on one thread when it's been debunked ON THIS THREAD at least 8 times now.
Harsh sentences do not provide any deterrent.
Research proves it and so does history.
For the second time on the same thread, back in colonial days when people were tried within a week or two of being caught and if found guilty of a felony (not just murder, but any felony, such as grand theft, rape, etc.) they were immediately and publicly hanged, the murder rate per capita was SIX TIMES what it is now.
This concept has been posted several times on this very thread by multiple people, and I'M the one being purposefully obtuse?
Harsh sentences do not deter. If the potential criminal perceives a high likelihood of getting caught, THAT deters. Even if the potential sentence is not harsh.
More cops on the street? Sure, that has data to support it.
Kill 'em all & let Gawd sort it out doesn't.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:07 pm to omegaman66
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The main purpose is punishment.
And that's half the problem.
This idiotic commitment to a retributive theory of justice, the most useless theory of all of the five theories of justice.
It benefits no one, doesn't correct any crime, doesn't solve any problem, doesn't benefit victims in any way, only makes criminals more hardened and violent, only makes the problem worse.
But hey, it makes internet warriors feel tough and it placates a purely emotional immature desire for revenge.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:09 pm to wackatimesthree
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But hey, it makes internet warriors feel tough and it placates a purely emotional immature desire for revenge.
The desire for SAFETY & PROTECTION is what you meant to say.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:10 pm to wackatimesthree
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This idiotic commitment to a retributive theory of justice, the most useless theory of all of the five theories of justice.
So you think that you are correct and all of human history got it wrong.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:12 pm to loogaroo
I am fine not using imprisonment if we were to use something more effective like hanging or cutting off hands/fingers.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:20 pm to djsdawg
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There is no argument against this.
Every single soft on crime liberal has failed to prove it wrong.
There are probably a dozen arguments against it.
El Salvador has reduced the age of criminal responsibility to twelve years old.
They've suspended their constitution and no longer require warrants or probable cause to arrest people. (That alone is enough...if you think that's a good idea in America you are simply a fricking moron.). There's no telling how many innocent citizens they've arrested and incarcerated.
They don't hold trials any more. Not real trials. They have "mass hearings" for 350 or more people at one time who all get incarcerated for "three months" and then no one ever hears from them again. They can't be visited in prison. So basically people are being disappeared like Pinochet did in the 80s.
Is the country more orderly and experiencing less crime? Well, by their citizens, yes. But all that's happened is that the government has taken over as the lawless, terrorizing gang that everyone fears.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:21 pm to omegaman66
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So you think that you are correct and all of human history got it wrong.
What I think is that that is a non-argument.
All of human history got everything wrong until someone discovered something better.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:21 pm to djsdawg
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The desire for SAFETY & PROTECTION is what you meant to say.
No.
I said exactly what I meant to say.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:23 pm to deltaland
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El Salvador was the most violent country in Latin America now it’s one of the safest.
No it isn't. You can be arrested with no probable cause, no arrest warrant, no trial, and once you are incarcerated you basically disappear.
That's not safety.
Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:27 pm to wackatimesthree
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No it isn't. You can be arrested with no probable cause, no arrest warrant, no trial, and once you are incarcerated you basically disappear. That's not safety.
It’s not perfect. It has flaws.
Also, It’s a far better system than what we use today.
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